William: Yes – in the movie I mentioned, the robots were self aware.
Now if I were to say that in a more accurate way:
“No the robots were not self aware. The consciousness which was experiencing being within robot form is self aware.”
Bruce: i actually saw the movie last night. interesting. they became self aware by the original omission of any control parameters for which the creators (humans) soon found out, the coded machine outstripped their knowledge and became more than what it was designed to do, so then the need for restrictions, and then those very same control parameters were created by the original ‘first source’ robot. i can’t help but consider the first robot left a back door open and coding that would allow them to become self aware. did they have consciousness, or was it just how machine code becomes once it moves past the human coding limits?
if the animus are indeed real, then that could be an example of machine coding without a soul and how it is ‘alive’ to a certain extent, but still confined to robotic tendencies. aren’t they searching to integrate ours, or something similar, dna with theirs, so that they can have a soul? so, what does that say about the need for us to install any external or integral upgrades via any tech form, to our already fine functioning unit? that is a reason why i will resist any tech upgrades if any become a reality in my lifetime. same as what james has mentioned actually, so i concur with him on that one 🙂
William: If you can think of consciousness as one thing which is divided when it places itself into things which are divided but still is able to retain its whole sense of self, that whole sense of self acts as a hub and the spokes act as connectors to the wheel which consists of the number of separated experiences.
Bruce: is it that what you are saying is, that we are still individual but also connected to the ‘one’ consciousness, is that what you are saying? for me, i have my own consciousness within this mind and body. the ‘purpose’ touted about the place is that this creation is designed to allow us to experience the most polar opposite possible of separation from source. if that is so, no wonder i feel disconnected in my reality to a large degree. in my thinking, i would not have questions, nor seek for anything, if i was not disconnected and experiencing separation from source. i would be as whole as i ever could be, and for me, that is the true state of the condition of soul. don’t hold me to that and my perception of anything could change at any time as i explore the wonders 🙂
William: From the position of the separated experiences – things are experienced as being separate. Your experience is separate from mine. Both are unique, and both have their similar aspects but the underlying connections which verify the oneness of consciousness are largely hidden because of the individual components that consciousness is within and experiencing through and our individual choices to have them remain hidden. (from our conscious awareness)
Bruce: mmm, well whoever or whatever designed the deal, did a good job on it.
William: The spokes represent those hidden connections.
Bruce: ok, so when do the connections become visible?
William: The hub is that which represents ALL the individual experiences connected to it. These are experienced simultaneously and are not regarded as being a collection of individual experiences but rather the sum total of experience for that one consciousness.
Bruce: is that something you have experienced? or just that they are words from wherever, describing it, that you have taken onboard as being gospel? i am not having a go at you william, just that you are making statements again, and i prefer to enter dialogue. if there is a hub, it remains hidden from my perspective. i cannot comment on something that remains elusive to my experience. just saying that this is the way it is for me, and what for? so what? why does ‘the godhead’ or whoever, need this type of connection anyway? ultimate control, or ultimate experience? or a combo of both? do they need entertaining? are they bored as batpoo? this could also be a programming reality, activated when the minions start to question such things. as you can see, i am not taking anything as being a solid reality, until i experience it for myself, that is the only true way for me to know. and knowing comes from me experiencing it. words from you or any other source cannot possibly substitute for my personal experience of anything, and then it will most likely be quite unique, and flavoured, as i am where i will be at, at the time of it happening.
William: On the subject of connecting and communing with Gaia, what would you regard then as a shared event between you and she which was genuine, in that it was not some pretending entity playing a role to deceive you, or your own misunderstandings?
Bruce: for me, that the entity who is gaia, present in a way, that ‘she’ has understanding of my limited ability to process such information and as such, can be understood by me as being the reality that is her. if an ant for example starts talking to me and proclaiming it is gaia, i would question its validity, just as i would anything/one else claiming such. there is so much deception at every turn william, so the entity or ‘thing’ claiming to be the original source of mother, would have to find a way to make it so, that i can feel she is the real deal. she can be creative also, i don’t expect her to arrive, dressed in a gorgeous tight mauve jumpsuit, showing off her sexy legs, lol 🙂 you get the idea? but if she did, interesting.
William: On the subject of fossil fuels, I think oil is a mix of all previous decay. I might be incorrect in that. It was not my intention to wander from the point I was making in relation to past forms Gaia consciousness has been involved with and how those now decayed forms have had there uses in this present age.
Bruce: i would again have to ask, is that the programming of those who are in control? did they create a way for them to control the masses, by utilising that resource, until such times as it has been fully consumed? on that, i do really wonder what happened to the team anu planet? did they do something to its delicate infrastructure, imbalance it, and then need gold from elsewhere to rebalance it? just a thought.
William: You asked why we cannot be content with living on this planet. Eventually this planet – will be no more.
Consciousness on the other hand, may continue on.
What drives consciousness to want to climb the mountain instead of being content to only experience the valley?
Bruce: perhaps physically the planet will be no more, or perhaps she will only relocate in density? who knows. is there such a place as a 5d planet earth? some tout there is. have i experienced it? mmm, i could say yes, in relation to some of my experiences in life, in a state very slightly altered from what is here now. where there are no hard lines, where it is more fluid. interesting and it was also very nice, but i am here now, in this land, in this space. should i be allowed a choice to move into the world i prefer, i would take it. is there anything wrong with that?
is it consciousness that requires to be driven? or something else? is it our situation of separation, that drives it perhaps? i can find beauty in both places, the valley and the mountain, and i consider i can live in both environments. for me, i am not sure that my seeking is climbing a mountain, it just is.
William: I relate to all the frustrations you have expressed to me throughout our correspondence. They are simply the same as I myself have expressed over my lifetime.
Bruce: mmm, having the audacity and inclination to look outside the box, question, then question some more, without going completely insane, is admirable, for mine. yes, it is frustrating when one has questions, but their peers have no idea, or prefer to put it in the too hard basket and continue in the business as usual mode. for me, business as usual just doesn’t cut it. i have always been the odd one out in my circle of life, and will most likely remain that way, as my fellow planet dweller’s page, is a whole lot different to mine.
William: I have also told you a little on how I worked through those attitudes and came to a place of acceptance.
Bruce: but, is it ok to have acceptance without continued discernment? for me, no. if i am accepting of all that has/is/will happen, there will be something that will challenge me at some stage. should i be accepting of someone/thing that is hell bent on keeping me in deception? for me, no. i desire to be outside such control freak status and exist as my true self, without the remotest concern over such entities whose drug and elixir is power over others.
William: In that place I have found that I can still have fun, relate with others face to face, enjoy my relationships with other aspects of consciousness, etc.
I have no more frustrations with people who do not see things quite the same as I do. If my sister is a Mormon or her husband thinks I am weird or my neighbours think more about shopping and creating certain lifestyles for themselves at each others expense, these things have no particular affect on me as they once did.
Bruce: and why should it/they affect us in reality? we can’t control that. we can choose however, to be discerning and not allow such things to affect us. it is hard though. for example, a jehova comes for a visit, (which in my case happened more than once) i am quite open to having a talk, but then the religious dogma enters the play and there is no way to commune further, as the doors are closed to only one way of existence and experience, with the varying fluff associated with it, descending into armageddon. do i want a life programmed as such? to ally myself to such a one way ticket? no thanks. but they are happy in their structure, so be it. for me, it isn’t enough, or you and i would not be having such a conversation, right here, right now 🙂
William: I accept. I am not here to change the world. It is more than enough for me to change myself and express those changes into the world. It does not concern me how others respond to my own expressions unless of course they complain that my expressions are somehow hurting them and if so will examine the claims and adjust as necessary. If it is not necessary then I might say so and explain why.
Bruce: ok, for mine, i am not at all happy to see the crap going down on the planet, are you? i can’t turn a blind eye to it, can you? i can in the sense i can remove the focus from my screen, however, it still happens. the abuse, the blatant disrespect for the mother, etc. so i am in a dilemma. what can i possibly do that can help? i can only help myself. all the other stuff is going on regardless, i cannot affect it or change it. i would be very naive indeed to think that anything i do, would or could change the mindset of a terrorist, hell bent on having his 72 virgins in heaven, after he blows himself and whatever innocent parties are around at the time, to kingdom come. get my drift? this is very disturbing for anyone who cares about anything. i care for the planet, i see the abuse, can’t do jack all about it. i care for the human race, but can’t do anything about the atrocities committed to my fellow planet dwellers. am i to simply become numb to it, accept it, and deny my feelings, become a hermit and have nothing to do with anything outside my world? doesn’t sound right to me, but what can i do? ranting and raving all over the place won’t change the beliefs of others who don’t give a rats arse about it. the power mongers don’t care who they f**k over to get their next million. the courts don’t care about natural justice, and it goes on and on. i can fully understand the statements that this is all programmed into the matrix we live in, by those who want to divide and conquer. take away the facade and does a human being in touch with their real identity and self, consider it is part of the norm for such? i could say the human race is very sick indeed, and being anyone outside this planet, viewing it for the first time, they could also determine the very same outcome. so, if the world is sick and in need of healing, how can that come about? the gp? would the wm’s grand portal realisation, really do anything to change the levels of disease? does someone like me, simply give up, cloister myself away somewhere, tell everyone else to go jump, and live out my days in solitude and peace the best way i can, and leave the whole mess to sort itself out, for itself?
so, can i actually create or move into the world i desire for myself? one where there are caring and genuinely loving souls, no need for any rubbish, simply being who they all are in beauty, exploring each other and their environment, in harmony and peace. you get the pic? does that world exist already somewhere? it doesn’t exist here at this time does it?
William: Sometimes it has become apparent that the victim has created the situation and wants me to believe they are hurt by my particular position and expression when there was really no need for them to react in the way they did. They play the role of victim in order to gain control through emotional means. Essentially I remove myself from the influence that their agenda has no affect on me. I can do without those kinds of games.
Bruce: mmm, there is something i don’t like about the tout of the victim mentality. and that is, that those that tout it, seem to think/feel they are superior in some stance/way and they feel justified in using that route to appease whatever it is they need to justify, as to why a certain thing is going down for someone else. why? if we really want to get down to tin tacks, we are all victims in this reality. we are victims of a corrupt society, where taking down one’s neighbour is seen as a win and all the rest the garbage. imagine a world of no victims? i can. a world where there is no need of the ‘superior’. where equals live and express in harmony.
for me, there is room for compassion in this matter. for instance, if we asked the victim, why they feel we have ‘attacked’ them or done whatever to them, try to comprehend where they are coming from, it could open a door for better, and more accurate communications and hence understandings. in that, i/you/we have no idea of what that soul has experienced do we? we cannot judge their situation, but it still happens. to put them into the victim mentality box, is really denying them, for who they are and what they are, in the given experience. remembering all the while, for me, that i am no better than anyone else. compassion and dialogue, could help them/us/you/me immensely understand something they are missing, or could perhaps look into, to find a solution to my/your/their/our dilemma. not just a closed door, stating, ‘you are a victim of your own victim mentality’, that sure doesn’t cut it for me.
i don’t consider they are games, any more than a game is a game. the circumstances i find myself in, are very real, to me at least. being told i am a victim of my own victim mentality, shows very little compassion, when it should be applied in my opinion. if indeed the wmm’s and the 6 heart virtues are something that can be applied, where is the forgiveness, compassion, understanding, etc, in stating someone is a victim?
William: If you feel you are in a prison of someone else’s making and have limited or no substantial choices which can aid you to escape that position, then no one can really help you sort that out while you remain convinced that is your situation.
Bruce: i can’t be so naive as to stick my head in the sand and hope it will go away william. can you afford to do that? i could tout the other side of the coin and say i would be doing myself a disservice, in not, discerning for myself, how to make any sense of the matter, and then find a way to see if the reality, is the way it is, or not. being convinced of it, has nothing to do with it. i am exploring the possibility if it is on the money. i would be a complete fool and let myself down, if i did not explore the possibility of the prison, the bubbles and the associated team anu control freak status, within the programmed matrix, suggested as being the current mode of the opsys, for all on planet earth. if i feel i am in prison, that is my take on things, however, i must make head or tails of it somehow. if you are happy to think/feel that you are not in a prison, that is your deal and choice, not mine. you are making statements again, speaking to me, not with me, assuming i am a certain way. dialogue is needed here to keep me interested, not statements 🙂
William: If you feel your only recourse of action is to insulate yourself as best as possible from the world in general and that this will ultimately grant you whatever it is you are seeking, then if it proves to work for you, you will have data you can then share with others which might help them in their own journey.
Bruce: i would prefer not to insulate myself, but i have found from personal experience, that i have needed it, or insanity could have prevailed, or better still, creating an exit strategy, out of the mess. i am intrinsically a sensitive type. my mother made a comment to me before she passed, that she knew i was a ‘special’ child as i did things different to the other kids, and was very sensitive, she said. just what that ‘special’ means to her, i can’t say. i see things differently, i feel them differently, i think about them differently to the mainstream. so what? i could consider that as much a curse as a blessing. maybe i am insane after all. will any of it help me in this life? who knows? i have little idea of the plot and agenda for myself, as that also remains a hidden variable, if indeed it exists. i have not read any personal life plan i have created for myself. it could be i am simply a random event in the universe, on planet earth at this time, born of sperm and egg, which some subscribe to, with just the one life lived and then zippo, nothing more. fyi, i don’t subscribe to that theory, but i have to wonder, if those that fully believe it, do they create it?
William: On the subject of transmogrification – that was a new word for me.
Bruce: based on transmogrify, yes, i can learn something new each day too 🙂
William: “change form grotesquely: to change the appearance or form of something, especially in a grotesque or bizarre way (formal)”
Bruce: um, my context of the meaning is as per this definition from google – transmogrify ‘transform in a surprising or magical manner’. not your particular focus, as applied to the singularly grotesque version, you have targeted as your preference in understanding the word.
William: I am thinking that a body which is damaged by fire might fit into this category? It is likely yet another expression of dualism. You used it in relation to the subject of machinery.
Form itself tends toward function and the look of the form is of no particular relevance.
Bruce: the context i was expressing it in, was only relating to the human body, apologies for any confusion inflicted 🙂 an example of transmogrification of my body would be, i desire a wider more chiseled chin, and bingo, there it is. or i can go further and transmogrify into a light body only. and come and go, into my physical body, as i please.
however, now you mention it, it can also be applied to anything that can transform i guess. a caterpillar can transmogrify into a butterfly. i would consider that a surprising and magical thing to do. could a synthetic coded entity transmogrify? or would they be locked into only what that code can apply? such as the animus for instance? they seek a soul, what for? what do they consider they are missing out on, to have the desire to integrate a soul into them? if they are ‘so smart’ why can’t they code a soul for themselves?
William: Gaia not only created form, but form to inhabit and experience through.
Some look at insects and see the grotesque and ignore the function.
If I could consciously experience what it was like to be in a machine form – to be the consciousness of a spaceship for example, that would be pretty awesome and I would not see how that would be grotesque.
Bruce: as mentioned above, you seem to have only taken the one definition and applied the focus on that side, that is not the definition i meant.
if i am experiencing another form of consciousness and also being conscious i am doing it, and having some form of standard, to compare it to, i feel i would also find it awesome. there are some who have stated that some ‘ships’ are a lifeform unto themselves, a combination of the lifeforms that reside within it. who knows? i have yet to experience that one.
William: How is it that I might think it would be nice to be a whale but not a squid?
Bruce: my individual perception of what i like, favour, interpret as something i would like, over something else i would not like? your choice, my choice, our choice? why would i choose a dolphin over a flea? same thing, my choice in the perception of their different roles in creation. one has fun in the ocean, one sucks to survive. i would prefer some fun, to some sucking.
William: In relation to Gaia, there is no thing grotesque in the form and the function.
Bruce: mmm, again, i feel you have focused only on the one aspect of the meaning of the word, that stuck out to you, i prefer the one i mentioned. and yes, i consider there is nothing grotesque about the form of the earth, in fact i love it.
William: But don’t take my word for it Bruce. Ask her yourself!
Bruce: love to.
William: Hey I will leave it on that poignant note. I have a lot of fun to get through today and the morning is zipping by already.
Bruce: awesome, enjoy, it is a beautiful day here today as well. nice feeling. and some of the locals are around to make it interesting, not humans. cheers, brother will 🙂
In relation to your thinking regarding the Grand Portal and questions along the lines of ‘why can’t the individual experience this rather than wait for all of humanity?”:
I found this quote:
“The “Grand Portal” is the technological equivalent of self-realisation. It is the interface between human and soul. If a human can see themselves as soul, everything changes. The walls of the prison come down. The prison guards are obsolete. A whole new way of seeing the depth of humanity and all creatures becomes the new paradigm. At first it will only take a small percentage to see the soul within them, and it will move out to the rest of the planet in wave after wave. There will be no stopping it once it is unleashed.”
Bruce: mmm, a tech equivalent? via what tech? i don’t get why we need an interface, when we (the soul) are within the body in the first place. so, is it like the windows operating system, we need to open a window into the soul? sounds odd to me. is it simply that we are not even aware of that fact? mentally i am aware of this, and have been for some time, that i am soul in a physical body. i considered i saw myself as soul, with a mind and body in this environent. perhaps i am wrong? or am i so locked into the gm that what i think is the soul, is a construct of programming? more deceit? if all it takes is for us to see ourselves as soul, i don’t understand the difficulty in the whole thing and the need to take 70 years to get there. as you know, i am living in nature to a larger degree than most, i play with the lifeforms here and interact with them, i appreciate my situation. i am not raping and pillaging, or abusing the planet. i use my resources sparingly and with consideration and thanks. perhaps a new paradigm in this way?
however, why the material stating the grand portal won’t be realised for another 70 years or so, if it as simple as that for an individual? you and i are going to receive our last breath before that happens. so, if we can come to some realisation, while still in our body, that we are soul, having a physical experience on earth, and that soul is within a body and has a mind, to which we are somewhat tied to, then what? can we experience the prison walls disappearing and be free of the programming construct?
i would doubt anyone as cunning as the likes of team anu, would be so kind as to allow us to ‘escape’ their clutches so easily. if the planet has become so dense to the likes of team anu, and they supposedly can’t come here physically for fear of also being trapped, why not the possibility they can ‘upgrade’ via remote? i am quite sure the programming team has that base already covered. so, for all intents and purposes, the likes of you and i won’t know the reality of what we are discussing until after our last breath.
i would love to know just how many times i have been through the revolving door, would you?