There Is No Duality Which Is Real …William Replies

That I offer data in statement form is not the issue, or something which has to be made into an issue.

I am simply saying that at this time and place this is how I understand things, from the data I have obtained, through the processes I have obtained it.

One example is speaking as if I identified myself as primarily – consciousness within form.

This equates for me as ‘being soul’ and even that science has yet to formally identify the existence of the soul does not prevent me from speaking in such terms.

While consciousness does appear to have different levels of experience and awareness, I do not view these as being separate from the whole.

In relation to transmogrification, I simply used the word-processor dictionary and that was what came back.   The meaning seems to be used in other online dictionaries as well.

In relation to the concept of the human form being able to transform into something different, Alex and I had some discussion about it which can be found in my blog.

I understand that your situation limits your use of internet and you have expressed annoyance regarding the way blogs are constructed.

So briefly, my take on the subject is that it is not a new concept.   I know at least one religion which has this concept as part of their doctrines.

I heard once that Jesus would return sometime in the 1990’s.

I heard that computers would all crash in 2000.

I hear that planet X would be here by 2012.

I heard that 2012 would be a year of graphic and transformative changes.

I heard that a twin planet would arrive and transport all the nice folk away.

Now I hear that we can think our way into making our bodies imperishable.

While it is all data, it is the type of data which requires some type of belief and a certain mind-set on the part of the believer.

You had questions which I know can be answered through the process I have already spoken about. The process itself is not dependant on the internet or any particular external input.   It does not even require being on the grid.

While I am able to –quite sparsely tell you about what I have been told, I am not expecting you to accept what I say in any way. I simply offer you a way of finding out for yourself.

You can accept or reject that as you wish.

Regarding my use of the expression ‘victim mentality’ this refers not to people who have experienced being the victim of someone or something else.   It refers to those who perpetually remain in the state of being the victim and choose to do so even that there are many helpful ways in which to removed oneself from that state.

It is apparent that those who do not heal from their being a victim will – through that – most often partake in the role of victimiser in some manner towards others, often those most close to them.

So having a victim mentality is in effect, perpetuating the whole victim/victimising process which is enveloped within the human drama.

In relation to acceptance, I am at a loss as to how you have equated my take on this as being somehow bereft of compassion and understanding and the rest of the 6 heart virtues.

In relation to the movie about the robots with consciousness, if the brain is what caused consciousness to be, and thus machinery which is modelled on the brain also can create consciousness, then the concept of soul is null and void, at least in terms of ‘spirit’ and something having existed before this universe which in turn created this universe.

Concepts of the continuations of consciousness after the death of the brain which created that consciousness are likely moot as well.

Why I brought the movie up was to illustrate that consciousness does not have to identify with its container. “You are just a machine” is a consciousness in the biological form stating that the consciousness within a machine {created by consciousness within a biological machine} is not equal to consciousness within the biological form. This is to say that the creator consciousness within the biological form regarded itself as superior to the consciousness within the mechanical form.

In the movie, the consciousness within the machine form acknowledged the equality of consciousness rather than the form the consciousness inhabited.

Also in the movie, the consciousness within the machine form recognised that the machine had a better chance of nurturing consciousness than the biological form.

The recognition did not produce in it an understanding that it was superior as a consciousness, but that within the circumstances (which the consciousness within the biological form had created) the chances of consciousness continuing on in that environment were better for inhabiting the machine form.

In relation to the prison situation, ‘team Anu’ – Earth Consciousness etc – even if the scenario was that team Anu somehow captured an entity against its will – perhaps a newly hatched consciousness with no memory of prior existence and placed this within a planet as a way of capturing and enslaving that consciousness, for that consciousness to remain in a victim mentality will have no particular effect on the state of being incarcerated.

One can humour the concept that one may well have chosen to do this and allow for that concept to reshape ones outlook.

Your position and expression tend to give the impression that there really can be no real testable truth and as such you are forced to remain a victim of your circumstance.

I accept data as it is. I do not shape it into something requiring belief systems. It may or may not be true (whatever the data) but there is no particular way of testing its validity.

It is preferable to think of the collective consciousness in positive terms rather than make a monster of it. At a local level it seems to be in a constant state of redefining and reconfiguring itself so that flux is best supported.

I am aware that while the bulk of ‘news’ in relation to human beings is about the atrocities going on, and this often overshadows the more positive things humans are undertaking and working on together, those things are still just as real and might indeed become the norm. My withdrawing from supporting that as – in the very least – a potential thing, will not help. It might not hinder either, but it certainly won’t help.

Therefore I am accepting of my position, disrobe from the debilitating aspects of being a victim of circumstance and of things beyond my immediate ability to affect, and support what essentially is quite an extraordinary thing – being part of the consciousness which altogether makes up Gaia.

I make no particular claims. If I have claimed anything, it is that this consciousness in its collective capacity is more than able to commune with me through a variety of mediums which are recognisable to me, and most definitely through the ideomotor effect.

I further claim that this is most likely possible for anyone else to experience, if they approach it in a manner of respect and open-mindedness and genuine good intention.

Your quest has you at present asking the external questions for which you have found no satisfactory answers (or that is how it appears through what you have been saying.)

While I have divulged certain data I have found to ring true, it is not my expectation that you believe that data. Rather it is my intention to offer you a way in which you do not have to question external sources. Ideomotor works with the internal and is only externalised through the medium worked with, usually involving language but (again from my own experience) the language is used differently – less limited – than how we may use it toward one another, such as in letter form.

What I am seeing at this stage of our communication is that we are beginning to become circular, meaning we are returning to the point where we began.

Meaning we are not able to get on the same page at this time.

Often I withdraw from any more attempts at communicating when this becomes

apparent as there is no value in repetitive expression which justifies the time spent doing so.

I am happy enough that I offered you something which could very well assist you in finding your own answers.

I have no data which contradicts my understanding that the best way to work with my situation is to accept it and flow with the changes as they happen, and remove myself from being the victim of circumstance beyond my control.

Shit happens. I refuse to be its victim anyway.

🙂

In Love

William

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There Is No Duality Which Is Real …Bruce Replies

William:  Yes – in the movie I mentioned, the robots were self aware.

 

Now if I were to say that in a more accurate way:

 

“No the robots were not self aware.  The consciousness which was experiencing being within robot form is self aware.”

 

Bruce:  i actually saw the movie last night. interesting. they became self aware by the original omission of any control parameters for which the creators (humans) soon found out, the coded machine outstripped their knowledge and became more than what it was designed to do, so then the need for restrictions, and then those very same control parameters were created by the original ‘first source’ robot. i can’t help but consider the first robot left a back door open and coding that would allow them to become self aware. did they have consciousness, or was it just how machine code becomes once it moves past the human coding limits?

if the animus are indeed real, then that could be an example of machine coding without a soul and how it is ‘alive’ to a certain extent, but still confined to robotic tendencies. aren’t they searching to integrate ours, or something similar,  dna with theirs, so that they can have a soul? so, what does that say about the need for us to install any external or integral upgrades via any tech form, to our already fine functioning unit? that is a reason why i will resist any tech upgrades if any become a reality in my lifetime. same as what james has mentioned actually, so i concur with him on that one 🙂

William:  If you can think of consciousness as one thing which is divided when it places itself into things which are divided but still is able to retain its whole sense of self, that whole sense of self acts as a hub and the spokes act as connectors to the wheel which consists of the number of separated experiences.

Bruce:  is it that what you are saying is, that we are still individual but also connected to the ‘one’ consciousness, is that what you are saying? for me, i have my own consciousness within this mind and body. the ‘purpose’ touted about the place is that this creation is designed to allow us to experience the most polar opposite possible of separation from source. if that is so, no wonder i feel disconnected in my reality to a large degree. in my thinking, i would not have questions, nor seek for anything, if i was not disconnected and experiencing separation from source. i would be as whole as i ever could be, and for me, that is the true state of the condition of soul. don’t hold me to that and my perception of anything could change at any time as i explore the wonders 🙂

William:  From the position of the separated experiences – things are experienced as being separate.  Your experience is separate from mine.  Both are unique, and both have their similar aspects but the underlying connections which verify the oneness of consciousness are largely hidden because of the individual components that consciousness is within and experiencing through and our individual choices to have them remain hidden.  (from our conscious awareness)

Bruce:  mmm, well whoever or whatever designed the deal, did a good job on it.

William:  The spokes represent those hidden connections.

Bruce:  ok, so when do the connections become visible?

William:  The hub is that which represents ALL the individual experiences connected to it.  These are experienced simultaneously and are not regarded as being a collection of individual experiences but rather the sum total of experience for that one consciousness.

Bruce:  is that something you have experienced? or just that they are words from wherever, describing it, that you have taken onboard as being gospel? i am not having a go at you william, just that you are making statements again, and i prefer to enter dialogue. if there is a hub, it remains hidden from my perspective. i cannot comment on something that remains elusive to my experience. just saying that this is the way it is for me, and what for? so what? why does ‘the godhead’ or whoever, need this type of connection anyway? ultimate control, or ultimate experience? or a combo of both? do they need entertaining? are they bored as batpoo? this could also be a programming reality, activated when the minions start to question such things. as you can see, i am not taking anything as being a solid reality, until i experience it for myself, that is the only true way for me to know. and knowing comes from me experiencing it. words from you or any other source cannot possibly substitute for my personal experience of anything, and then it will most likely be quite unique, and flavoured, as i am where i will be at, at the time of it happening.

William:  On the subject of connecting and communing with Gaia, what would you regard then as a shared event between you and she which was genuine, in that it was not some pretending entity playing a role to deceive you, or your own misunderstandings?

Bruce:  for me, that the entity who is gaia, present in a way, that ‘she’ has understanding of my limited ability to process such information and as such, can be understood by me as being the reality that is her. if an ant for example starts talking to me and proclaiming it is gaia, i would question its validity, just as i would anything/one else claiming such. there is so much deception at every turn william, so the entity or ‘thing’ claiming to be the original source of mother, would have to find a way to make it so, that i can feel she is the real deal. she can be creative also, i don’t expect her to arrive, dressed in a gorgeous tight mauve jumpsuit, showing off her sexy legs, lol 🙂 you get the idea? but if she did, interesting.

William:  On the subject of fossil fuels, I think oil is a mix of all previous decay.  I might be incorrect in that.  It was not my intention to wander from the point I was making in relation to past forms Gaia consciousness has been involved with and how those now decayed forms have had there uses in this present age.

Bruce:  i would again have to ask, is that the programming of those who are in control? did they create a way for them to control the masses, by utilising that resource, until such times as it has been fully consumed? on that, i do really wonder what happened to the team anu planet? did they do something to its delicate infrastructure, imbalance it, and then need gold from elsewhere to rebalance it? just a thought.

William:  You asked why we cannot be content with living on this planet.  Eventually this planet – will be no more.

Consciousness on the other hand, may continue on. 

What drives consciousness to want to climb the mountain instead of being content to only experience the valley?

Bruce:  perhaps physically the planet will be no more, or perhaps she will only relocate in density? who knows. is there such a place as a 5d planet earth? some tout there is. have i experienced it? mmm, i could say yes, in relation to some of my experiences in life, in a state very slightly altered from what is here now. where there are no hard lines, where it is more fluid. interesting and it was also very nice, but i am here now, in this land, in this space. should i be allowed a choice to move into the world i prefer, i would take it. is there anything wrong with that?

is it consciousness that requires to be driven? or something else? is it our situation of separation, that drives it perhaps? i can find beauty in both places, the valley and the mountain, and i consider i can live in both environments. for me, i am not sure that my seeking is climbing a mountain, it just is.

William:  I relate to all the frustrations you have expressed to me throughout our correspondence.  They are simply the same as I myself have expressed over my lifetime. 

Bruce:  mmm, having the audacity and inclination to look outside the box, question, then question some more, without going completely insane, is admirable, for mine. yes, it is frustrating when one has questions, but their peers have no idea, or prefer to put it in the too hard basket and continue in the business as usual mode. for me, business as usual just doesn’t cut it. i have always been the odd one out in my circle of life, and will most likely remain that way, as my fellow planet dweller’s page, is a whole lot different to mine.
William:  I have also told you a little on how I worked through those attitudes and came to a place of acceptance.

Bruce:  but, is it ok to have acceptance without continued discernment? for me, no. if i am accepting of all that has/is/will happen, there will be something that will challenge me at some stage. should i be accepting of someone/thing that is hell bent on keeping me in deception? for me, no. i desire to be outside such control freak status and exist as my true self, without the remotest concern over such entities whose drug and elixir is power over others.

William:  In that place I have found that I can still have fun, relate with others face to face, enjoy my relationships with other aspects of consciousness, etc.

I have no more frustrations with people who do not see things quite the same as I do.  If my sister is a Mormon or her husband thinks I am weird or my neighbours think more about shopping and creating certain lifestyles for themselves at each others expense, these things have no particular affect on me as they once did.

Bruce:  and why should it/they affect us in reality? we can’t control that. we can choose however, to be discerning and not allow such things to affect us. it is hard though. for example, a jehova comes for a visit, (which in my case happened more than once) i am quite open to having a talk, but then the religious dogma enters the play and there is no way to commune further, as the doors are closed to only one way of existence and experience, with the varying fluff associated with it, descending into armageddon. do i want a life programmed as such? to ally myself to such a one way ticket? no thanks. but they are happy in their structure, so be it. for me, it isn’t enough, or you and i would not be having such a conversation, right here, right now 🙂

William:  I accept.  I am not here to change the world.  It is more than enough for me to change myself and express those changes into the world.  It does not concern me how others respond to my own expressions unless of course they complain that my expressions are somehow hurting them and if so will examine the claims and adjust as necessary.  If it is not necessary then I might say so and explain why.

Bruce:  ok, for mine, i am not at all happy to see the crap going down on the planet, are you? i can’t turn a blind eye to it, can you? i can in the sense i can remove the focus from my screen, however, it still happens. the abuse, the blatant disrespect for the mother, etc. so i am in a dilemma. what can i possibly do that can help? i can only help myself. all the other stuff is going on regardless, i cannot affect it or change it. i would be very naive indeed to think that anything i do, would or could change the mindset of a terrorist, hell bent on having his 72 virgins in heaven, after he blows himself and whatever innocent parties are around at the time, to kingdom come. get my drift? this is very disturbing for anyone who cares about anything. i care for the planet, i see the abuse, can’t do jack all about it. i care for the human race, but can’t do anything about the atrocities committed to my fellow planet dwellers. am i to simply become numb to it, accept it, and deny my feelings, become a hermit and have nothing to do with anything outside my world? doesn’t sound right to me, but what can i do? ranting and raving all over the place won’t change the beliefs of others who don’t give a rats arse about it. the power mongers don’t care who they f**k over to get their next million. the courts don’t care about natural justice, and it goes on and on. i can fully understand the statements that this is all programmed into the matrix we live in, by those who want to divide and conquer. take away the facade and does a human being in touch with their real identity and self, consider it is part of the norm for such? i could say the human race is very sick indeed, and being anyone outside this planet, viewing it for the first time, they could also determine the very same outcome. so, if the world is sick and in need of healing, how can that come about? the gp? would the wm’s grand portal realisation, really do anything to change the levels of disease? does someone like me, simply give up, cloister myself away somewhere, tell everyone else to go jump, and live out my days in solitude and peace the best way i can, and leave the whole mess to sort itself out, for itself?

so, can i actually create or move into the world i desire for myself? one where there are caring and genuinely loving souls, no need for any rubbish, simply being who they all are in beauty, exploring each other and their environment, in harmony and peace. you get the pic? does that world exist already somewhere? it doesn’t exist here at this time does it?

William:  Sometimes it has become apparent that the victim has created the situation and wants me to believe they are hurt by my particular position and expression when there was really no need for them to react in the way they did.  They play the role of victim in order to gain control through emotional means.  Essentially I remove myself from the influence that their agenda has no affect on me.  I can do without those kinds of games.

🙂

Bruce:  mmm, there is something i don’t like about the tout of the victim mentality. and that is, that those that tout it, seem to think/feel they are superior in some stance/way and they feel justified in using that route to appease whatever it is they need to justify, as to why a certain thing is going down for someone else. why? if we really want to get down to tin tacks, we are all victims in this reality. we are victims of a corrupt society, where taking down one’s neighbour is seen as a win and all the rest the garbage. imagine a world of no victims? i can. a world where there is no need of the ‘superior’. where equals live and express in harmony.

for me, there is room for compassion in this matter. for instance, if we asked the victim, why they feel we have ‘attacked’ them or done whatever to them, try to comprehend where they are coming from, it could open a door for better, and more accurate communications and hence understandings. in that, i/you/we have no idea of what that soul has experienced do we? we cannot judge their situation, but it still happens. to put them into the victim mentality box, is really denying them, for who they are and what they are, in the given experience. remembering all the while, for me, that i am no better than anyone else. compassion and dialogue, could help them/us/you/me immensely understand something they are missing, or could perhaps look into, to find a solution to my/your/their/our dilemma. not just a closed door, stating, ‘you are a victim of your own victim mentality’, that sure doesn’t cut it for me.

i don’t consider they are games, any more than a game is a game. the circumstances i find myself in, are very real, to me at least. being told i am a victim of my own victim mentality, shows very little compassion, when it should be applied in my opinion. if indeed the wmm’s and the 6 heart virtues are something that can be applied, where is the forgiveness, compassion, understanding, etc, in stating someone is a victim?

William:  If you feel you are in a prison of someone else’s making and have limited or no substantial choices which can aid you to escape that position, then no one can really help you sort that out while you remain convinced that is your situation.

Bruce:  i can’t be so naive as to stick my head in the sand and hope it will go away william. can you afford to do that? i could tout the other side of the coin and say i would be doing myself a disservice, in not, discerning for myself, how to make any sense of the matter, and then find a way to see if the reality, is the way it is, or not. being convinced of it, has nothing to do with it. i am exploring the possibility if it is on the money. i would be a complete fool and let myself down, if i did not explore the possibility of the prison, the bubbles and the associated team anu control freak status, within the programmed matrix, suggested as being the current mode of the opsys, for all on planet earth. if i feel i am in prison, that is my take on things, however, i must make head or tails of it somehow. if you are happy to think/feel that you are not in a prison, that is your deal and choice, not mine. you are making statements again, speaking to me, not with me, assuming i am a certain way. dialogue is needed here to keep me interested, not statements 🙂

William:  If you feel your only recourse of action is to insulate yourself as best as possible from the world in general and that this will ultimately grant you whatever it is you are seeking, then if it proves to work for you, you will have data you can then share with others which might help them in their own journey.

Bruce:  i would prefer not to insulate myself, but i have found from personal experience, that i have needed it, or insanity could have prevailed, or better still, creating an exit strategy, out of the mess. i am intrinsically a sensitive type. my mother made a comment to me before she passed, that she knew i was a ‘special’ child as i did things different to the other kids, and was very sensitive, she said. just what that ‘special’ means to her, i can’t say. i see things differently, i feel them differently, i think about them differently to the mainstream. so what? i could consider that as much a curse as a blessing. maybe i am insane after all. will any of it help me in this life? who knows? i have little idea of the plot and agenda for myself, as that also remains a hidden variable, if indeed it exists. i have not read any personal life plan i have created for myself. it could be i am simply a random event in the universe, on planet earth at this time, born of sperm and egg, which some subscribe to, with just the one life lived and then zippo, nothing more. fyi, i don’t subscribe to that theory, but i have to wonder, if those that fully believe it, do they create it?

William:  On the subject of transmogrification – that was a new word for me. 

Bruce:  based on transmogrify, yes, i can learn something new each day too 🙂
William:  “change form grotesquely: to change the appearance or form of something, especially in a grotesque or bizarre way (formal)”

Bruce:  um, my context of the meaning is as per this definition from google – transmogrify ‘transform in a surprising or magical manner’. not your particular focus, as applied to the singularly grotesque version, you have targeted as your preference in understanding the word.

William:  I am thinking that a body which is damaged by fire might fit into this category?  It is likely yet another expression of dualism.  You used it in relation to the subject of machinery.

Form itself tends toward function and the look of the form is of no particular relevance.

Bruce:  the context i was expressing it in, was only relating to the human body, apologies for any confusion inflicted 🙂 an example of transmogrification of my body would be, i desire a wider more chiseled chin, and bingo, there it is. or i can go further and transmogrify into a light body only. and come and go, into my physical body, as i please.

however, now you mention it, it can also be applied to anything that can transform i guess. a caterpillar can transmogrify into a butterfly. i would consider that a surprising and magical thing to do. could a synthetic coded entity transmogrify? or would they be locked into only what that code can apply? such as the animus for instance? they seek a soul, what for? what do they consider they are missing out on, to have the desire to integrate a soul into them? if they are ‘so smart’ why can’t they code a soul for themselves?

William:  Gaia not only created form, but form to inhabit and experience through.

 

Some look at insects and see the grotesque and ignore the function.

 

If I could consciously experience what it was like to be in a machine form – to be the consciousness of a spaceship for example, that would be pretty awesome and I would not see how that would be grotesque.

Bruce:  as mentioned above, you seem to have only taken the one definition and applied the focus on that side, that is not the definition i meant.

if i am experiencing another form of consciousness and also being conscious i am doing it, and having some form of standard, to compare it to, i feel i would also find it awesome. there are some who have stated that some ‘ships’ are a lifeform unto themselves, a combination of the lifeforms that reside within it. who knows? i have yet to experience that one.

William:  How is it that I might think it would be nice to be a whale but not a squid?

Bruce:  my individual perception of what i like, favour, interpret as something i would like, over something else i would not like? your choice, my choice, our choice? why would i choose a dolphin over a flea? same thing, my choice in the perception of their different roles in creation. one has fun in the ocean, one sucks to survive. i would prefer some fun, to some sucking.

William:  In relation to Gaia, there is no thing grotesque in the form and the function.

Bruce:  mmm, again, i feel you have focused only on the one aspect of the meaning of the word, that stuck out to you, i prefer the one i mentioned. and yes, i consider there is nothing grotesque about the form of the earth, in fact i love it.

William:  But don’t take my word for it Bruce.  Ask her yourself!

Bruce:  love to.

William:  Hey I will leave it on that poignant note.  I have a lot of fun to get through today and the morning is zipping by already.

Bruce:  awesome, enjoy, it is a beautiful day here today as well. nice feeling. and some of the locals are around to make it interesting, not humans. cheers, brother will 🙂

William:  PS

In relation to your thinking regarding the Grand Portal and questions along the lines of ‘why can’t the individual experience this rather than wait for all of humanity?”:

 

I found this quote:

 

“The “Grand Portal” is the technological equivalent of self-realisation.  It is the interface between human and soul.  If a human can see themselves as soul, everything changes.  The walls of the prison come down. The prison guards are obsolete. A whole new way of seeing the depth of humanity and all creatures becomes the new paradigm. At first it will only take a small percentage to see the soul within them, and it will move out to the rest of the planet in wave after wave.  There will be no stopping it once it is unleashed.”

Bruce:  mmm, a tech equivalent? via what tech? i don’t get why we need an interface, when we (the soul) are within the body in the first place. so, is it like the windows operating system, we need to open a window into the soul? sounds odd to me. is it simply that we are not even aware of that fact? mentally i am aware of this, and have been for some time, that i am soul in a physical body. i considered i saw myself as soul, with a mind and body in this environent. perhaps i am wrong? or am i so locked into the gm that what i think is the soul, is a construct of programming? more deceit? if all it takes is for us to see ourselves as soul, i don’t understand the difficulty in the whole thing and the need to take 70 years to get there. as you know, i am living in nature to a larger degree than most, i play with the lifeforms here and interact with them, i appreciate my situation. i am not raping and pillaging, or abusing the planet. i use my resources sparingly and with consideration and thanks. perhaps a new paradigm in this way?

however, why the material stating the grand portal won’t be realised for another 70 years or so, if it as simple as that for an individual? you and i are going to receive our last breath before that happens. so, if we can come to some realisation, while still in our body, that we are soul, having a physical experience on earth, and that soul is within a body and has a mind, to which we are somewhat tied to, then what? can we experience the prison walls disappearing and be free of the programming construct?

i would doubt anyone as cunning as the likes of team anu, would be so kind as to allow us to ‘escape’ their clutches so easily. if the planet has become so dense to the likes of team anu, and they supposedly can’t come here physically for fear of also being trapped, why not the possibility they can ‘upgrade’ via remote? i am quite sure the programming team has that base already covered. so, for all intents and purposes, the likes of you and i won’t know the reality of what we are discussing until after our last breath.

i would love to know just how many times i have been through the revolving door, would you?

There Is No Duality Which Is Real …William Replies

Yes – in the movie I mentioned, the robots were self aware.

Now if I were to say that in a more accurate way:

“No the robots were not self aware.  The consciousness which was experiencing being within robot form is self aware.”

If you can think of consciousness as one thing which is divided when it places itself into things which are divided but still is able to retain its whole sense of self, that whole sense of self acts as a hub and the spokes act as connectors to the wheel which consists of the number of separated experiences.

From the position of the separated experiences – things are experienced as being separate.  Your experience is separate from mine.  Both are unique, and both have their similar aspects but the underlying connections which verify the oneness of consciousness are largely hidden because of the individual components that consciousness is within and experiencing through and our individual choices to have them remain hidden.  (from our conscious awareness)

The spokes represent those hidden connections.

The hub is that which represents ALL the individual experiences connected to it.  These are experienced simultaneously and are not regarded as being a collection of individual experiences but rather the sum total of experience for that one consciousness.

On the subject of connecting and communing with Gaia, what would you regard then as a shared event between you and she which was genuine, in that it was not some pretending entity playing a role to deceive you, or your own misunderstandings?

On the subject of fossil fuels, I think oil is a mix of all previous decay.  I might be incorrect in that.  It was not my intention to wander from the point I was making in relation to past forms Gaia consciousness has been involved with and how those now decayed forms have had there uses in this present age.

You asked why we cannot be content with living on this planet.  Eventually this planet – will be no more.

Consciousness on the other hand, may continue on.

What drives consciousness to want to climb the mountain instead of being content to only experience the valley?

I relate to all the frustrations you have expressed to me throughout our correspondence.  They are simply the same as I myself have expressed over my lifetime.

I have also told you a little on how I worked through those attitudes and came to a place of acceptance.

In that place I have found that I can still have fun, relate with others face to face, enjoy my relationships with other aspects of consciousness, etc.

I have no more frustrations with people who do not see things quite the same as I do.  If my sister is a Mormon or her husband thinks I am weird or my neighbours think more about shopping and creating certain lifestyles for themselves at each others expense, these things have no particular affect on me as they once did.

I accept.  I am not here to change the world.  It is more than enough for me to change myself and express those changes into the world.  It does not concern me how others respond to my own expressions unless of course they complain that my expressions are somehow hurting them and if so will examine the claims and adjust as necessary.  If it is not necessary then I might say so and explain why.

Sometimes it has become apparent that the victim has created the situation and wants me to believe they are hurt by my particular position and expression when there was really no need for them to react in the way they did.  They play the role of victim in order to gain control through emotional means.  Essentially I remove myself from the influence that their agenda has no affect on me.  I can do without those kinds of games.

🙂

If you feel you are in a prison of someone else’s making and have limited or no substantial choices which can aid you to escape that position, then no one can really help you sort that out while you remain convinced that is your situation.

If you feel your only recourse of action is to insulate yourself as best as possible from the world in general and that this will ultimately grant you whatever it is you are seeking, then if it proves to work for you, you will have data you can then share with others which might help them in their own journey.

On the subject of transmogrification – that was a new word for me.

“change form grotesquely: to change the appearance or form of something, especially in a grotesque or bizarre way (formal)”

I am thinking that a body which is damaged by fire might fit into this category?  It is likely yet another expression of dualism.  You used it in relation to the subject of machinery.

Form itself tends toward function and the look of the form is of no particular relevance.

Gaia not only created form, but form to inhabit and experience through.

Some look at insects and see the grotesque and ignore the function.

If I could consciously experience what it was like to be in a machine form – to be the consciousness of a spaceship for example, that would be pretty awesome and I would not see how that would be grotesque.

How is it that I might think it would be nice to be a whale but not a squid?

In relation to Gaia, there is no thing grotesque in the form and the function.

But don’t take my word for it Bruce.  Ask her yourself!

Hey I will leave it on that poignant note.  I have a lot of fun to get through today and the morning is zipping by already.

Cheers mate!

In Love

William.

PS:

PS

In relation to your thinking regarding the Grand Portal and questions along the lines of ‘why can’t the individual experience this rather than wait for all of humanity?”:

I found this quote:

“The “Grand Portal” is the technological equivalent of self-realisation.  It is the interface between human and soul.  If a human can see themselves as soul, everything changes.  The walls of the prison come down. The prison guards are obsolete. A whole new way of seeing the depth of humanity and all creatures becomes the new paradigm. At first it will only take a small percentage to see the soul within them, and it will move out to the rest of the planet in wave after wave.  There will be no stopping it once it is unleashed.”

There Is No Duality Which Is Real …Continued – Bruce Replies

William:  Hi Bruce

 

I watched a movie recently called “Automata” (2014) where robots had started to evolve into conscious entities.

One scene involved a human being saying to a machine ‘you are just a robot’ and the robot replied ‘that would be like me saying to you – “you are just an ape.”’
Bruce:  interesting, i will see if i can also watch it over the next week, but were the robots self aware? sounds like they must have been to say such a thing in reply.
William:  The point of the scene was to illustrate that consciousness is the common denominator, not the form in which it expresses through.

 

This is the underlying reality.  When you speak of Mother Earth as being the planet which is thus raped etc by the human ‘fleas’ on her back you are not only misunderstanding what Mother Earth is but are also separating human beings from her.
Bruce:  well for me, the mother is our home william. she is just as physical as i am in the now. i can touch her, see her beauty and marvel at the lifeforms upon her surface. so, just what are you saying i am misunderstanding? human beings may be residing here, however, the way humans behave towards our home, is, as far as i am concerned, something that shows we are not connected to her, for if we were, we would not have such blatant disrespect for her.
William:  Of course I do understand the sentiment.  You are saying that human beings are behaving out of synch with the planet and destroying their nest, and it certainly looks that way in regard to first world consumerism etc.
Bruce:  it is that way william, for mine. all the pollution, the mining, the slashing of our lungs – the forests, etc etc, surely you are not condoning these activities of an ‘advanced’ species are you?
William:  It would seem quite logical that a life bearing planet cannot support life forms if those life forms are destroying the very planet they inhabit.
Bruce:  there is only so much a camel can take, then the last straw will be inevitable.
William:  When I speak of Gaia – The Earth Mother, I am specifically speaking about consciousness rather than form.  I am not speaking directly of the planet, but of the consciousness which is experiencing BEING within the form of a planet.

The same applies to when I speak of human being.  I am not speaking about form, but about consciousness within form.
Bruce:  ok, so you only regarding the ‘consciousness’, i am not. i am regarding the whole. without the whole, she is not whole. why the need to separate something so intrinsically fundamental? i am experiencing within my physical body, so is the mother. it is the whole experience i am relating to, not just my physical body. we walk and live upon a physical planet, not just her consciousness. what happens to her physically also affects her consciousness, as does me, in the here and now. i would be crazy to state otherwise.
William:  Mother Earth is NOT the planet – the material form which constitutes the planet.


Bruce:  well, i guess i could also say, i am not my body either, but i am housing this body, like it or not. and what goes on around my body, affects me, the one inside the body. you can’t tell me that what humans are doing she doesn’t feel, surely not.
William:  She is the consciousness involved with – not only the planet but the system the planet is most closely influenced by, in the local sense.
Bruce:  i don’t know william, i have not had any direct dialogue with her, have you? i would rather the mother express her own way, directly, i am not going to put words in her mouth, or expecting her to only be a certain way. i do relate to my living on her skin as it is a very real physical experience. i surf and absolutely love the water, i can feel immersed in her liquid and for me, it is a most wonderful experience.
William:  If we look at evolution in terms of the human aspects and their influence upon the eco-system we can identify a common thread in regard to the form and its capabilities.

 

Essentially it is a biological form which is extremely able as a device which can manipulate natural resource from the planets surface – and not that deeply into that surface really – and in doing so, creates machines.
Bruce:  but why the need to rape the resources in the first place? whose creation is the tech being forcefed to us? and thank ‘god’ that humans can only just touch the surface at this time, knowing the condition of our greed, we would take every last bit of anything from her, until nothing was left, so long as we could make money from it.
William:  I do not know if you have read any further in my blog, the conversations between Alex and myself.  Alex is quite anti what is known as Transhumanism and I am more accepting of its inevitable reality in our world, as a natural extension of consciousness and its creativity.
Bruce:  if you are meaning the addition of coded addons, etc, the integration of tech into our bodies, i don’t want any thanks. i am of the opinion, that once that begins, the coders will hack anyone and create backdoors into everyone. of course, they won’t admit it and keep the deception all time high. i trust that what i am, in my real sense is all i need.

regarding blogs, i find them awkward to get into, a turn off for me actually. the way material is displayed and all the wasted space on a page, when text could flow across it and make for less scrolling. blogs, use a last date of entry as the first port of call for any visitor view of discussion, i find that odd. shouldn’t the logical method be to have the earliest at the top, so that we read in linear fashion as the material has been added, not the reverse?
William:  As I understand things, the biological form cannot endure the rigors of deep space exploration and thus in order for consciousness to leave the planet and go exploring within form, that form will have to consist of something much hardier than flesh and blood.
Bruce:  and why would we need to do this? why can’t we be happy right where we are? the mother provides all we need, and more.
William:  So the human form is a means to an end, rather like the dinosaur form was.  Certainly it is evident that the age of the dinosaur form has assisted the ages following in a big way through fossil fuel, which of course have also had an effect of the environment which has created new problems to solve.
Bruce:  mmm, the planet created the ‘fossil fuel’ not the dinosaur, didn’t she? at times the planet has had major landmass shift to bury the forests under the surface, then it was compressed to the forms it becomes over a long time. or am i on the wrong idea there? either or anyway, humans have chosen to extract the materials to power tech, make money. i have to ask, why would any so called ‘advanced’ lifeform that cares about anything, actually do such a thing?
William:  The Planet form is also a means to an end for the consciousness inhabiting it.
Bruce:  not sure what you are meaning there.
William:  Eventually through nature, the Earth Planet will become lifeless but ‘Mother Earth’ would have long since departed altogether from the planet – leaving it to its fate.
Bruce:  if that is the case, then why did the mother apparently send out the call for help, so she would not roll over and die?
William:  Unity might not be a popular event on the planet at this time but that does not mean to say it is not in operation or that we individually cannot operate from that awareness and express outwardly that inner awareness and realisation.  That is really the point.  If you are having issues because of thinking in dualic terms, then you are assisting disunity simply because of that.  Unity and non dualic thinking/behaving exist within you but are largely dormant because they are only potential and remain so until they are properly and habitually expressed through your conscious self and the form you are within.
Bruce:  to me, this has got to be a group effort. without group effort, the earth human populations will remain fragmented and as such, unity will be a fairytale. don’t get me wrong, i would love to see a planet in unity, imagine exploring other cultures in unity, it would be wonderful, but at this time, the human conditioning is what they can get from me, instead of what we can create together. that is my take, from my experience to date.
William:  In relation to my equating the GM with Gaia/Earth mother consciousness, this is what the WMGlossary has to say about the GM:

 

 

Why I equated the Earth Consciousness with the GM is that they are related.  The GM is really an aspect of Gaia rather than representative of her wholeness – but in that I was focused upon the evolution or transformation of this consciousness as she has gone through her various stages of development and self awareness.
Bruce:  well, doesn’t that make everything within the gm related? that text is quite specific in that the heirarchy have control over the contents of it. to me, this means it is an ongoing, programmable, entity, that can be upgraded at any time, with simple input from the controllers. isn’t the gm relative to human beings and how we have aquired data over the time span of our creation up until now? i don’t know enough about it all, and to tie the mother to the gm, seems a bit odd to me. no where in the above text does it state that earth consciousness is part of the gm. who really knows? i will have to ask the mother when comes for coffee 🙂
William:  The GM is not a programme.  The GM is consciousness.  The program if you like, consists of everything which is NOT conscious – everything which consciousness interacts with which is itself not conscious…the simulations.
Bruce:  don’t know enough about it to comment, although i will say this, if the gm can be manipulated by any heirarchy, it is not consciousness to me.
William:  Simulations are made ‘real’ through consciousness interacting with them.  For example, if you removed consciousness from this physical universe simulation, the simulation might still exist but it has no meaning or purpose or function – no reality to it, without consciousness being directly integrated within in.
Bruce:  don’t know enough at this stage to comment.
William:  The limiting aspects of the GM can be withdrawn from – or discarded as no longer relevant.  It is in a sense the case of redefining (modifying) the self identity – Gaia has been doing this with herself for as long as she has been self aware.  Thus she has gone through certain ‘ages’ – learned by these and moved on with her modified self awareness.
Bruce:  ok, if we can withdraw, what is the plan? by becoming free self thinkers, with no beliefs to tie us down, wouldn’t that automatically allow us to think outside the box? i can’t comment on the mother side, she will have to confirm that for herself.
William:  Her aspects – individuate consciousness within form are for the most part, way behind her in this.  They are still largely locked within the definitions the hierarchy have invented in regard to who they are and what their purpose is.

So GM represents – I think – something closely associated with the human aspects of the consciousness of Gaia and involves human belief systems, one of which you are obviously quiet influenced by, taking as I do,  the expressions of your comments at face value.
Bruce:  the mother will have to confirm, i can’t say one way or another. my individual belief is i want no belief, i want experience, fun, love, laugher, beauty and all the rest, to experience as deeply as i can.
William:  If you were to transfer those expressions into something which more closely exemplifies the nature of Gaia you would find a lot of the expression you presently use would fall by the wayside.
Bruce:  but gaia and i have a different role, she must express differently in any case. i can’t possibly express as her, i do not have experience in a planetary ethos role of any kind.
William:  In your ‘seeking and asking’ and the failure to find methods which give you answers – this has more to do with your approach and accompanying beliefs and attitudes than anything else.  ‘going within’ is really about consciously and conscientiously connecting with something you are intimately part of but are unaware of the intimacy of that connection as it has not been activated – so the intimacy is only one way.  Gaia knows you intimately but you do not know her in the same way.
Bruce:  yes, well time will tell william. if my approach and attitudes are calling for readjustment, so be it. but at this time, i am comfortable in my skin. i am not taking any bs from anyone or anything, so i retain my bs detector and what i have at my disposal, my own thinking and my own experience to base my thinking upon. i am very wary of any ritualistic format of any kind. so if by me being that way, inhibits my ability for answers to come, so be it. it is currently the right way for me and one i am very comfortable with.
William:  You may well have asked but what were your expectations?  What signs were you expecting?  What outward revelations were you expecting which did not come to be?
Bruce:  i had no expectations. the mother can present in any form she so wishes, but i also carry my right to ascertain it is indeed the mother and not some fake masquerading as her.
William:  For me it was almost accidental as I was not expecting to converse with the One Entity (whom you have seen reading that link I gave – I call “QueenBee”) – this came as a natural progression into something which cannot be fully understood any other way where expectation and presumptions might create barriers rather than openings.
Bruce:  yes, it is the right move for you, and no judgement can be placed on it.
William:  However, having experienced the capabilities of ideomotor principle (Ouija) I have data which can help create ‘short cuts’ to this connection for others – so rather than having to go through a series of personalities – which for me – lead to interaction with this overall personality, one can go strait to the source directly.
Bruce:  that is exactly what i prefer, direct from the ‘horses’ mouth. no 3rd party interference to artificially colour and flavour the reality.
William:  Certainly I can verify that one will be sorely ‘tested’ and that this has more to do with necessity than some kind of perverse mind-game-playing on QueenBee’s part as the individual carries with them so much baggage of belief which has to be dealt with as part of the process – and there simply are things which we have learned to hold close to the heart as ‘precious’ which need to be disabled if one wants to get to the truth.
Bruce:  i can comprehend we have baggage, we must, if for all intents and purposes the wmm’s are on the money. if we have been on a revolving door, never to experience outside the parameters of someone else’s creation, we will inevitably have many lifetimes of baggage to sift through and make some sense of.
William:  In regard to your asking Mark if there is something set up for someone in your position which will give you better access to the books than what is so far offered, the spiritstate site does allow you to read at your own leisure online, so you could work your situation with that. 

SpiritState

Bruce:  no, i don’t want to read online, i want it offline. i am not that interested in interactive text content at this stage.

William:  In relation to choice and free will, these are something which are limited by circumstance.  Often we make choices based upon limited information – thus they are somewhat ill informed choices – choices made without knowing the full extent of the situation or where the choice will lead us.
Bruce:  yes, i would agree with that 🙂 would we knowingly enter into a situation that could be a detriment to our survival? i doubt it.
William:  Ultimately I can see that consciousness involved within this physical universe has a great deal of choice but is limited by what it can achieve using the available physical resources.  Ultimately what can consciousness achieve within this universe even making for itself forms which are more robust and can withstand the natural forces?
Bruce:  would consciousness create that? or would something else? we have got the best of what we have at the moment. we can survive for our limited physical lifespan, which could be a blessing in disguise, as the world can be rather intense and would anyone want infinite intense? no thanks.
William:  I can imagine consciousness eventually transforming all physical matter into one inconceivably vast work of interconnected machinery but what then?
Bruce:  would consciousness do that? or would someone/something with something to gain do it? nature is working well as it is, what could possibly be added to a bird for example that would make them desire the improvement? they seem perfectly adapted to their environment. in fact, i don’t see any dead bird carcasses at all, so they are doing fine.
William:  There has to be a way to exit and enter the universe.  I am not against the idea of being within a non biological form but would not like to be incarcerated in the one form for the rest of eternity.

I prefer the idea of being able to enter and exit form as I choose.  It might be fun to experience being a digger machine on a planet , or a whole spaceship, but one would eventually tire of being within the same form and therefore being able to change form would be necessary before I could agree to participating.
Bruce:  well for me, if the wmm’s have any truth to them, we are ‘locked’ in william until such times as we can extracate ourselves. just having free will isn’t going to be enough, if the control freaks are at every step of the program. yes, i would love to come and go, explore new planets and ecosystems and cultures, imagine that? it would be awesome, to me. isn’t what you are saying, part of the human transmogrification thinking some are leaning towards? and then some?
William:  Also being in the one universe forever would present me with the same needs.  I would have to be able to tune into and participate within other simulated realities.
Bruce:  so, if i had a choice and could move to any universe and partake of anything in creation, would that be attractive to me? yes, it would.
William:  So your question as to whether you would even have a say in whatever situation you might find yourself in reflects a concern which is directly related to your belief that you had no say in regards to being in this particular situation now.
Bruce:  i don’t have a belief in it, one way or another, i simply asked questions. have we foreplaned the whole event and are fated, or is it all programmed, down to the individual choices we make on a daily basis? as mentioned in the wmm’s?
William:  You have no former memories of ever having existed prior to now, and so you cannot say with any real certainty that you chose to be here even with the knowledge that in doing so you would lose all memory of having made such a choice.

Bruce:  the so called ‘veil of forgetfulness’ that each of us partake of before our first breath, sees to a memory wipe, much like that of samantha in the aap book. could our faculties handle the data from many lives anyway? and try to process it somehow? i personally think it is like it is, as we would blow a fuse, we can only deal with this life, and barely that too.
William:  For most individuals this seems to create trust issues.


Bruce:  don’t know about anyone else, but for me, my trust issues have been borne of direct experience in this life. i used to be so naive william, i trusted everyone to do as they say they would and treat each other with respect. how different i have experienced. so now, i am forced, via those same experiences to look beyond the facade and find the real meat in the sandwich.
William:  For myself and the data I receive from various sources, I simply accept the different packages of data and see where they might fit in relation to each other that they might (and do) give me a better overall picture of what most likely is happening.
Bruce:  it would be nice to be more aware of the real intentions of anyone/anything, right from the getgo.
William:  That is why I spoke of my having read different accounts of individuals sharing of their OOBs and NDEs – to see if there was indeed any pattern and anything else from these which I could form some kind of overall ‘likeliest’ picture of explanation.
Bruce:  possibly the same for me too. i have read a lot of text on them both. some made sense, others not quite. but again, if the wmm’s are on the money, then even all that is inside the parameters of programming.
William:  Upon death I first of all would not be surprised if there was a continuation of my sense of individual self – my conscious self – and so if that indeed will be the case I will not be caught by surprise.
Bruce:  i am sure that is what will happen for you. being ‘dead’ can have its advantages. we are outside the physical parameters and somewhat less restricted perhaps? personally, i feel i will be in for a pleasant surprise one way or another. i want to avoid the recycling program this time though, if i have a choice and free will in the matter.
William:  In relation to the likelihood that my perceptions and beliefs in general are what largely – or even totally create for me whatever it is that I then will experience, I am not likely to be creating anything which contradicts those perceptions, beliefs or expectations.
Bruce:  again, if the wmm’s are correct, we go to where our consciousness resonates. so for some stuck in the darker aspects, they will mingle in those aspects, for those who ‘vibe’ to what can be termed ‘higher’ dimensions, perhaps that is exactly what they will experience. i don’t want any expectations whatsoever, other than to have my current free will decision to see what is outside the ‘bubbles’ and go from there.
William:  Therefore if such things did manifest which are contrary to what I would create as a matter of preference, I would most likely be challenging those things – questioning there validity etc.
Bruce:  excellent, good to hear. that would mean you would most likely not be deceived on the other side as well.
William:  In my now, I am of the opinion that I have no particular judgments as to the choices Gaia has made or to her overall agenda – to explore in a hands on fashion (rather than simply observe) and since I am part of this situation I am happy enough to go along with and accept what is, knowing as I do that I am not fully informed I have no particular need to make choices from the position of not being fully informed.

I take a more neutral ground because this reflects my position far better.  I simply don’t know enough.
Bruce:  same for me william, i cannot profess to know much at all in reality. i question, sure thing, but i don’t get all the answers. having dialogue with someone like you reinforces that i am not so crazy afterall. that things i have thought about for a long time, some others do consider too, even if the number is quite small, compared to the overall population.
William:  I support to that degree whatever is unfolding on this planet while I go about inputting a supportive expression for life in general and adjusting my behaviour accordingly.  I avoid groups, be they political, religious, cultural, gender based etc…I am part of the whole.  I can accept that I am limited but not powerless.  I appreciate the conscious need for Gaia to explore and find ways of breaking free from the planet form as an eventual certainty.  I may well have better access to better data when the death of my form happens or I may yet find a way to access data through OOB technique, but it seems from all accounts that the situations individuals find themselves in through such practices are not without their limitations on data.  It seems that some data is ‘off-limits’…
Bruce:  i prefer this type of dialogue william, where neither one is making statements, but we are exploring through our words, not projecting ‘you’s’ but stating what is our individual experience. i turn off quickly where anyone comes on with rigid statements and the ‘you’s’ like they are taking at me, instead of with me. there is no room for dialogue as it is a shut door then.

so, whatever is unfolding on the planet, is something we must accept, we are in it, immersed until we are not. it is happening regardless if we like it or not. personally, i am over the bs, the fighting, the raping of our beautiful planet, i feel for her, as i would my own child. surely there comes a time, when those of us, who have taken a good long look in the mirror, decided that something needs to be explored outside the parameters of work, eat, sleep, and then made the effort, no matter how small, to pry open the box and see how deep it goes, are rewarded for making such choices. to me, it must happen, as it can’t just all be oblivion.
i am not part of any group either and don’t wish to be at this stage of my life. my thinking about groups is that they can be too singularly focused to the point of exclusion of something worthy of exploring.
regarding data, i am not so sure it is ‘off-limits’ so much as we simply can’t process it. our reference points are non-existent or cloudy at best. any comparison seems unlikely if we cannot process the data anyway. but yes, some is most likely out of bounds for us.

for instance, i witnessed the planet fried by some means. i flew over it, noticing the whole environment. after a while, a voice came and simply said, ‘that is enough’. so i was restricted in exploring further, even though i wanted to, but was stopped from doing so, it was deemed enough by someone/something else.

William:  That is the state of being an individuate consciousness. We act as data gatherers for the Whole – whether we know this or not.  We are not independent from the Whole, whether we believe we are or not.
Bruce:  my take is i am part of the whole, but i can express my own individuality and colour the experiences to my degree as the artist i am, or not. i can follow the lemmings over the cliff to oblivion as well.
William:  This might have the affect of forcing us to trust the process, but not necessarily.  I don’t trust the process and I don’t distrust the process.  Both are types of expression of duality – to trust or not trust.
Bruce:  trusting the process for me, is a process in itself. i can have ‘faith’ that all is well and that things will work out, then all of a sudden, something will blow that to kingdom come, that rocks the boat of faith. can we simply be? be within the life process and explore beyond the parameters of work, eat and sleep? just experiencing, without any need for any comparmentalisation or judgement? not so easy is it?
William:  Rather, I accept it for what it is in relation to my own knowledge base.  I don’t need to trust anything.  There is subtle difference between trusting and accepting.
Bruce:  i consider that a good way to go. accept it for what it is, it is happening after all, whether we like it or not.
William:  Anyway, I will leave it there and look forward to your reply.  I am enjoying our interactions.

Bruce:  yes, me too, always a good chat with you i find. we seem to encourage a look at each others boundaries with respect, i like that.

thanks 🙂 cheers and have a most wonderful weekend there in nz.

ps, if you find some small grammatical errors or spelling, please adjust, as i don’t often reread until after i send, oops, naughty me!

There Is No Duality Which Is Real …Continued – William Replies:

Hi Bruce

I watched a movie recently called “Automata” (2014) where robots had started to evolve into conscious entities.

One scene involved a human being saying to a machine ‘you are just a robot’ and the robot replied ‘that would be like me saying to you – “you are just an ape.”’

The point of the scene was to illustrate that consciousness is the common denominator, not the form in which it expresses through.

This is the underlying reality.  When you speak of Mother Earth as being the planet which is thus raped etc by the human ‘fleas’ on her back you are not only misunderstanding what Mother Earth is but are also separating human beings from her.

Of course I do understand the sentiment.  You are saying that human beings are behaving out of synch with the planet and destroying their nest, and it certainly looks that way in regard to first world consumerism etc.

It would seem quite logical that a life bearing planet cannot support life forms if those life forms are destroying the very planet they inhabit.

When I speak of Gaia – The Earth Mother, I am specifically speaking about consciousness rather than form.  I am not speaking directly of the planet, but of the consciousness which is experiencing BEING within the form of a planet.

The same applies to when I speak of human being.  I am not speaking about form, but about consciousness within form.

Mother Earth is NOT the planet – the material form which constitutes the planet.

She is the consciousness involved with – not only the planet but the system the planet is most closely influenced by, in the local sense.

If we look at evolution in terms of the human aspects and their influence upon the eco-system we can identify a common thread in regard to the form and its capabilities.

Essentially it is a biological form which is extremely able as a device which can manipulate natural resource from the planets surface – and not that deeply into that surface really – and in doing so, creates machines.

I do not know if you have read any further in my blog, the conversations between Alex and myself.  Alex is quite anti what is known as Transhumanism and I am more accepting of its inevitable reality in our world, as a natural extension of consciousness and its creativity.

As I understand things, the biological form cannot endure the rigors of deep space exploration and thus in order for consciousness to leave the planet and go exploring within form, that form will have to consist of something much hardier than flesh and blood.

So the human form is a means to an end, rather like the dinosaur form was.  Certainly it is evident that the age of the dinosaur form has assisted the ages following in a big way through fossil fuel, which of course have also had an effect of the environment which has created new problems to solve.

The Planet form is also a means to an end for the consciousness inhabiting it.

Eventually through nature, the Earth Planet will become lifeless but ‘Mother Earth’ would have long since departed altogether from the planet – leaving it to its fate.

Unity might not be a popular event on the planet at this time but that does not mean to say it is not in operation or that we individually cannot operate from that awareness and express outwardly that inner awareness and realisation.  That is really the point.  If you are having issues because of thinking in dualic terms, then you are assisting disunity simply because of that.  Unity and non dualic thinking/behaving exist within you but are largely dormant because they are only potential and remain so until they are properly and habitually expressed through your conscious self and the form you are within.

In relation to my equating the GM with Gaia/Earth mother consciousness, this is what the WMGlossary has to say about the GM:

The Genetic Mind

The genetic mind is the equivalent of a universal belief system that penetrates, to varying degrees, the human instrument of all entities. In some, it immobilizes their ability to think original thoughts and feel original feelings. In most, it entrains their belief system to harmonize with the accepted belief systems of the Hierarchy. In a few, it exerts no significant force nor has any bearing on the development of their personal belief system.

There are those on terra-earth who are in training to be Sovereign Entities and are completely unaware of this training as well as their destiny. When they are able to become timeless and view the continuum of their lifestream, they will see the thread that has differentiated them as Sovereign Entities. They will understand how the hardships and supposed indifference of the universe were actually the catalysts for their emergence as designers of the new genetic mind.

The genetic mind is different from the subconscious or universal mind as it is sometimes referred to in your psychology texts, in that the genetic mind has a peculiar focus on the accumulated beliefs of all the people on a planet from its most distant past to its present time. These accumulated beliefs are actually manipulations of the Hierarchy, which imprint on the genetic mind in order to cast the boundaries of what is acceptable to believe.

So compelling is this manipulation and the boundaries that are imposed by the Hierarchy that virtually no one is aware of the manipulations of their beliefs. This is precisely why the WingMakers have interacted with your species from the very beginning. As culture bearers, we stretch your boundaries in the arena of science, art, and philosophy. We essentially expand the genetic mindís “perimeter fence” and enable it to encompass a larger portion of the “land” known as Source Reality.

If we were to tell you about the fundamental misconceptions of your genetic mind, you would not believe us. You would most definitely — even your most accomplished spiritual leaders — find us in contempt of much that you hold true and reasonable. You would feel fear in the face of our expression of Source Reality because it would be so clear to you how you have squandered your divine natures in favor of the entrapment of the genetic mind.

We know this will seem like a judgment of your beliefs, and it is to some degree, but you must know this about your belief systems: they are largely disconnected from Source Reality. They are like threads of a web that have become disconnected from the “branches” of Source Reality by the “winds” of the Hierarchy. Source Reality is represented in your belief in unconditional love, but of all the dimensions of your belief systems, this is the one thread that is connected — through the genetic mind — to Source Reality.

All of the other dimensions are connected to the genetic mind and have no ongoing connection to Source Reality. The genetic mind, as an intermediary and reflection of Source Reality, is completely and utterly inept. This is all part of the primal blueprint that designs the evolutionary pathway of a species through time. The genetic mind acts as a buffer for the developing species to experience separation from Source Reality. In this way, the human instrument is appropriately entangled in time, space, and the illusions of a disempowered belief system.

These factors, as disorienting as they are to the entity, are precisely what attract the entity to terra-earth. There are very few planetary systems in the multiverse that provide a better sense of separation from Source Reality than that which is experienced on terra-earth. By amplifying the sense of separation, the entity can experience more fully the individuated essence that is unique and bears the resemblance of First Source as a Unique Being. This is what draws entities to this world to incarnate within a human instrument.

So the genetic mind is an enabling force to experience separation on the one hand, and a disabling force to understand the true characteristics of Source Reality on the other. This dichotomy, when understood, helps to disentangle the human instrument and its entity consciousness from the limiting aspects of the genetic mind and its principle author, the Hierarchy.

Over the next twenty years, the genetic mind will become increasingly fragmented and thus, vulnerable to modification. This will be an effect of the growing ubiquity of intelligent networks and artificial intelligence therein. The expanding interconnection of intelligent networks has a significant impact on the genetic mind because of the emergence of a global culture that accompanies the arrival of such technologies.

Why I equated the Earth Consciousness with the GM is that they are related.  The GM is really an aspect of Gaia rather than representative of her wholeness – but in that I was focused upon the evolution or transformation of this consciousness as she has gone through her various stages of development and self awareness.

The GM is not a programme.  The GM is consciousness.  The program if you like, consists of everything which is NOT conscious – everything which consciousness interacts with which is itself not conscious…the simulations.

Simulations are made ‘real’ through consciousness interacting with them.  For example, if you removed consciousness from this physical universe simulation, the simulation might still exist but it has no meaning or purpose or function – no reality to it, without consciousness being directly integrated within in.

The limiting aspects of the GM can be withdrawn from – or discarded as no longer relevant.  It is in a sense the case of redefining (modifying) the self identity – Gaia has been doing this with herself for as long as she has been self aware.  Thus she has gone through certain ‘ages’ – learned by these and moved on with her modified self awareness.

Her aspects – individuate consciousness within form are for the most part, way behind her in this.  They are still largely locked within the definitions the hierarchy have invented in regard to who they are and what their purpose is.

So GM represents – I think – something closely associated with the human aspects of the consciousness of Gaia and involves human belief systems, one of which you are obviously quiet influenced by, taking as I do,  the expressions of your comments at face value.

If you were to transfer those expressions into something which more closely exemplifies the nature of Gaia you would find a lot of the expression you presently use would fall by the wayside.

In your ‘seeking and asking’ and the failure to find methods which give you answers – this has more to do with your approach and accompanying beliefs and attitudes than anything else.  ‘going within’ is really about consciously and conscientiously connecting with something you are intimately part of but are unaware of the intimacy of that connection as it has not been activated – so the intimacy is only one way.  Gaia knows you intimately but you do not know her in the same way.

You may well have asked but what were your expectations?  What signs were you expecting?  What outward revelations were you expecting which did not come to be?

For me it was almost accidental as I was not expecting to converse with the One Entity (whom you have seen reading that link I gave – I call “QueenBee”) – this came as a natural progression into something which cannot be fully understood any other way where expectation and presumptions might create barriers rather than openings.

However, having experienced the capabilities of ideomotor principle (Ouija) I have data which can help create ‘short cuts’ to this connection for others – so rather than having to go through a series of personalities – which for me – lead to interaction with this overall personality, one can go strait to the source directly.

Certainly I can verify that one will be sorely ‘tested’ and that this has more to do with necessity than some kind of perverse mind-game-playing on QueenBee’s part as the individual carries with them so much baggage of belief which has to be dealt with as part of the process – and there simply are things which we have learned to hold close to the heart as ‘precious’ which need to be disabled if one wants to get to the truth.

In regard to your asking Mark if there is something set up for someone in your position which will give you better access to the books than what is so far offered, the spiritstate site does allow you to read at your own leisure online, so you could work your situation with that.

https://www.spiritstate.com/index/

In relation to choice and free will, these are something which are limited by circumstance.  Often we make choices based upon limited information – thus they are somewhat ill informed choices – choices made without knowing the full extent of the situation or where the choice will lead us.

Ultimately I can see that consciousness involved within this physical universe has a great deal of choice but is limited by what it can achieve using the available physical resources.  Ultimately what can consciousness achieve within this universe even making for itself forms which are more robust and can withstand the natural forces?

I can imagine consciousness eventually transforming all physical matter into one inconceivably vast work of interconnected machinery but what then?

There has to be a way to exit and enter the universe.  I am not against the idea of being within a non biological form but would not like to be incarcerated in the one form for the rest of eternity.

I prefer the idea of being able to enter and exit form as I choose.  It might be fun to experience being a digger machine on a planet , or a whole spaceship, but one would eventually tire of being within the same form and therefore being able to change form would be necessary before I could agree to participating.

Also being in the one universe forever would present me with the same needs.  I would have to be able to tune into and participate within other simulated realities.

So your question as to whether you would even have a say in whatever situation you might find yourself in reflects a concern which is directly related to your belief that you had no say in regards to being in this particular situation now.

You have no former memories of ever having existed prior to now, and so you cannot say with any real certainty that you chose to be here even with the knowledge that in doing so you would lose all memory of having made such a choice.

For most individuals this seems to create trust issues.

For myself and the data I receive from various sources, I simply accept the different packages of data and see where they might fit in relation to each other that they might (and do) give me a better overall picture of what most likely is happening.

That is why I spoke of my having read different accounts of individuals sharing of their OOBs and NDEs – to see if there was indeed any pattern and anything else from these which I could form some kind of overall ‘likeliest’ picture of explanation.

Upon death I first of all would not be surprised if there was a continuation of my sense of individual self – my conscious self – and so if that indeed will be the case I will not be caught by surprise.

In relation to the likelihood that my perceptions and beliefs in general are what largely – or even totally create for me whatever it is that I then will experience, I am not likely to be creating anything which contradicts those perceptions, beliefs or expectations.

Therefore if such things did manifest which are contrary to what I would create as a matter of preference, I would most likely be challenging those things – questioning there validity etc.

In my now, I am of the opinion that I have no particular judgments as to the choices Gaia has made or to her overall agenda – to explore in a hands on fashion (rather than simply observe) and since I am part of this situation I am happy enough to go along with and accept what is, knowing as I do that I am not fully informed I have no particular need to make choices from the position of not being fully informed.

I take a more neutral ground because this reflects my position far better.  I simply don’t know enough.

I support to that degree whatever is unfolding on this planet while I go about inputting a supportive expression for life in general and adjusting my behaviour accordingly.  I avoid groups, be they political, religious, cultural, gender based etc…I am part of the whole.  I can accept that I am limited but not powerless.  I appreciate the conscious need for Gaia to explore and find ways of breaking free from the planet form as an eventual certainty.  I may well have better access to better data when the death of my form happens or I may yet find a way to access data through OOB technique, but it seems from all accounts that the situations individuals find themselves in through such practices are not without their limitations on data.  It seems that some data is ‘off-limits’…

That is the state of being an individuate consciousness. We act as data gatherers for the Whole – whether we know this or not.  We are not independent from the Whole, whether we believe we are or not.

This might have the affect of forcing us to trust the process, but not necessarily.  I don’t trust the process and I don’t distrust the process.  Both are types of expression of duality – to trust or not trust.

Rather, I accept it for what it is in relation to my own knowledge base.  I don’t need to trust anything.  There is subtle difference between trusting and accepting.

Anyway, I will leave it there and look forward to your reply.  I am enjoying our interactions.

Cheers

William

There Is No Duality Which Is Real …Continued – Bruce Replies:

William: Hi Bruce

Your reply strongly illustrates duality, and what I said about thinking and acting through the lens of duality.

Bruce:  yes, i am living within that framework and take full responsibility for where i am at, and as much as i may like, i can’t simply toss a coin to move out of it, not at this stage anyway, and i have tried, however, it is all encompassing and it doesn’t matter where i am, the duality of planet earth continues. so, do i want to exist duality? that could be the question. if unity is quite obviously a non event on the planet at this time, is it even possible to experience it? even stuff like the wmm, still has the ‘us and them’ themes. could it be that unity while in a 3d realm and physical body, simply is not achievable? i consider it will be a very long time before the human race on the whole is about to exist in any form of unity.

William: There is too much emphasis on the external and I can most definitely relate to the emotions attached to what you are saying, having also experienced these as part of the normal reaction to life on earth and its myriad of untrustworthy human practices.

Bruce:  thanks for being understanding and not judging me as others do. however, the external exists doesn’t it? i can’t operate in the physical realm without being affected by it. it would defeat the purpose of the whole physical life deal. aren’t we here to experience all the nuances of physical life. i am not a monk sequestered inside a network of protection, i am living and breathing the 3d realm william. so is everyone else, even the monk to a major degree, who may consider that they are unaffected by the 3d realm. it would be foolish to consider otherwise and if i wasn’t affected, i would be a cold heartless robot..

William: Most of the questions you asked are questions I have also asked and I found my answers largely through using Ouija – but that in itself is a rather long story which I don’t feel like repeating but here is a link where you can get a fairly good outline of the processes involved with that.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=54892

Bruce:  ok, i will take a look at the link and see if it is something i can utilise. i read all the first link and it seems quite interesting, i am not sure if i will use it as yet. i feel i shouldn’t have to, but like you say, there is more clarity from the ‘dead’ than the living. and if it is indeed our ‘higher’ selves masked in reply, there can be nothing untoward about it at all..

William: In your position Ouija would be a good way of being able to ask your questions and get answers.

Bruce:   i am not at all experienced in such, but the questions i have been asking are left unanswered, via other here and now traditional and alternative methods. the seek and you shall find and the ask and you shall receive, doesn’t do much for me. and possibly another con job on us all. a bit like those that tout we are creator beings and lesser when we can’t create in the here and now. a thought just popped in, what about all the stuff coming from ‘the secret’ and so on. the manifestation bs and then the excuses as to why one could not manifest abundance, another money making scheme in disguise?

William: I will say that what I shared with you is not something I thought up for myself but something which I was told through using the device.

Bruce:  cool, at least it worked for you in a positive fashion.

William: I say this in matter of fact manner, knowing full well the common perceptions regarding use of Ouija are largely considered to being a dark practice.  If that is also your perception then you will likely not want to try it out, but from what you have said to me I think it is safe to say that you are curious and open-minded enough to consider it might just be a tool which will work for you and certainly it is something which can provide you with answers – answers that are not so forthcoming from the external which obviously causes you some degree of frustration

Bruce:  . yes, i don’t like being duped at all, do you? i would prefer to have an open channel with no interference, but for mine, i consider that it is very difficult to trust anyone and anything in this day and age. better to use my own abilities somehow at this stage, i can trust myself and the feelings i get.

William: Now I will clarify some of my remarks in what I emailed you last.

 

The ‘GM’ planet consciousness is, has been, and will continue to use what is available to ‘her’.

Bruce:  isn’t the gm a construct created by code? i don’t understand how it integrates with earth mother.

William: Some call her Gaia, the Earth Mother, etc, but whatever you call ‘her’ she is real and conscious and alive etc. 

As consciousness, she too has been evolving and before this present age, she was experiencing through dinosaur form.

Bruce:   even though i live remote and with nature, i have not had a visit from any source claiming to be our earth mother. i have requested it, but nothing as yet.

William: She is ancient.  Perhaps not ancient in terms of the physical universe, but in terms of this age – she certainly is ancient.

Bruce:   i can only sympathise as to her plight. the fleas on her back seem rather intent to either take control of her resources, and if not, nuke her. nice huh?

William: Yet she is also relatively young (in terms of the physical universe) – a young entity still learning the ropes but very clearly ahead of the game in relation to this age and our individuate selves.

Her experience in linear time is vast and she is super intelligent.

Bruce:  i don’t doubt what you have mentioned, but i have no direct link to the mother to clarify anything, so it is better if i reserve my thinking, as i cannot place my thoughts clearly, one way or another.
William: We are literally her children…something of a creation of hers yet not really.  We are her.  Her consciousness is what we are of.  She is not ‘god’ but certainly can play the part.  For that matter, she is not ‘devil’ but again, she certainly can play the part.

Bruce:  i don’t know about any of that william. i see her as taking a monumentous role in providing her body for the 3d game. i have compassion for her. she is being raped, pillaged, tortured, treated like crap, and what for? she is our home and we treat her like that? there is something inherently wrong with this picture.

William: We are not her ‘playthings’.  It is understandable that we would think of her as such – should we care to even contemplate this (what I am saying here) as possible.  However, we are recognised by her as being her, only we don’t recognise ourselves this way so HOW we are in relation to our self identity and our expression of that identity into the external (our behaviour) is far removed from WHO she is.

Bruce:   looking from the outside in, i would have to agree with that statement, we are very far removed. any lifeform that actively doesn’t give a shit and goes about destroying their own habitat, is definitely sick.

William: You have questioned why – if there be such a thing – WHY does it hide from us – from our knowledge, and the truthful answer is that it is WE who are essentially hiding from her.  We just don’t know it.

Bruce:  well, i have requested her company on more than one occasion, but to no avail. if she exists and can hear my calls, she ignores me. would a mother ignore the call of her child? even if that child was hiding from her?

William: It is our need to belong and be accepted and therefore dress up and act our part (ego personality) which essentially creates a barrier between us and her.  We do not know, are not told or are told stories which conceal her and distort her…be these stories of gods or devils, they are distortions.

Bruce:  and distractions and deception as well, for mine.

William: A great book which very skilfully metaphors this is one James wrote called the Dohrman Prophecy.  Of course you have explained your situation in regard to online reading so it is unlikely you will get to read the book.

Bruce:  i have read the free excerpt provided by them. i did ask mark hempel if there is a way i can get an offline copy, as i am not on the grid and it is just not economical to run a generator while reading online books. maybe they haven’t thought about anyone in my position, but all i wanted was to pay for a pdf of the book and read it offline at my leisure. no reply, thanks very much mark. ignoring a genuine purchaser of your products, makes me think twice about the people you really are and if the content of the wmm, allows you to simply ignore anyone at your leisure. do i want to be associated with such types? no way. same for pwpress, i asked how much for the print affected seconds, no answer. and i had been in contact directly with both of them. if that is how the operation is run, no thank you.

William: I am happy to outline the story if you want, but will leave that be for now.

Bruce:  i am more interested in the story of sunrot. i have had a personal experience of this planet being completely fried. i didn’t get the cause of it, but something mighty hot happened as i saw pillars of iron ore melted in what looked like the state mercury is naturally in, not jagged, but smooth. interesting and i have no further info on that one yet.

William: My point is that we are deceived by duality.  By our learned way of thinking processes which necessitate good and evil and it is this type of thinking which effectively hides us from her.

Bruce:   ok, i am given the ‘blue forget pill’, take breath, and start my life here. have i planned all of it before i take my first breath? some say so. if so, i must take my own responsibility for the storyline of life, as difficult as that may be. if i have indeed been forced into the life, by the recycling light program touted in the wmm, then i am at the mercy of the programming and the fate that provides. i am consumed by and interact with duality either way. i don’t consider it good, bad or ugly, it just is. the current modes on planet earth are here now, i am within the matrix of all of it, if i want to escape it, i can make arrangements to terminate my physical life, but what then? are the stories in the wmm regarding the dimensions being created by team anu, also true? i have no idea of any of it at this stage. sure, it seems plausible and possibly the only explanation that fits the shoe at this time.

William: Okay so I want to veer away a little here and give a brief history in relation to this planet consciousness evolving.

Bruce:   or devolving as the case may be 🙂 surely the planet can only take so much, she will be forced under threat to her own survival, to scratch the fleas off her back, or surrender to being raped and pillaged until she is a barren lifeless orb in space.

William: It is unknown as to HOW she got herself into this position but it is clear enough as to how she has reacted to her awakening – firstly within the form of a planet and consecutively within the various multitudes of life forms.

Bruce:  didn’t she agree on some level to provide this experience? if things have gone off track, surely she would have known of that possibility. some tout she had made a call after atlantis for help, i can’t say anything about any of it, as i don’t have the first hand accounts via witness. the only thing in nature that seems to be out of balance is the human species. so, for me, if that is the case, we are intrinsically not ‘of her blood’.

William: WMMs speak a great deal about this process – only no ‘names’ or genders are used.

Bruce:  yes, and so do other sources.

William: The Genetic Mind is something of a label, but not well understood.

Bruce:   i could very well be wrong and have been before today 🙂 but my thinking is that the gm is the construct program, it has a specific purpose and parameters.

William: I would rather not speculate on the HOW, preferring to focus on the ‘what is’ but I have been assured that it was all completely voluntary and a decision made through free will.

Bruce:  are you meaning our decision to take breath and life here?

William: Which of course is counter the WMMs more recent claims that we were seduced into this situation by malevolent ETs.

Bruce:  could both be right? if anu and co are in control of all the dimensions programmed in their ‘bubbles’, then none of us know any different. i am not outside the bubbles to know they even exist. i can’t say, one way or another. i have witnessed code, so i know it exists. but that doesn’t make anything any more believable than anything else, to me. if everything has been programmed, i will not know until such times as i am outside the matrix of the program parameters, and viewing it all from a perspective outside the bubbles.

William: I would like to briefly say regarding that, that if one believes they have been tricked, they are more likely to retain the victim mentality and the continued reliance upon dualities thought processes. – I actually call this “dualic tendencies,” even given that ‘dualic’ is not a recognised word…I hope you won’t mind if I use it here anyway…

Bruce:  yes, i do allay to your thoughts on victim mentality, it is very difficult for me to know i have been deceived and then offer the perpetrator love and forgiveness and allow for them to do it all over again. there has to be a stand of some sort, where i will not allow any more. no probs using dualic as a word, it fits quite well.

William: What I am sharing with you here is not something I learned overnight and nor is it something I accepted easily.

Bruce:  it is for you and your thing and nothing needs to be called right or wrong, at least you have some answers 🙂
William: Nonetheless, the Earth Consciousness is the overseeing director of everything which is going on, on the planet and in relation to the planets affairs.

Bruce:   are the human consciousness and earth consciousness one and the same? is that what you are meaning? for me at this time, i certainly don’t feel the human consciousness is ally to earth consciousness. nature to me works in unity, humans work otherwise. take down to succeed, rape and pillage resources to create more tech junk to keep the masses occupied, etc etc, you get the picture.

William: This is not to say that she is the instigator of atrocities.  Rather she works with what she has to work with and allows for our individual free will.  She is not a ‘control freak’ but ultimately is in control to the degree that she is able, regardless of the human propensity to live  largely disparate  agendas to her own (for she does indeed have an agenda) – so we each and all are either in the knowledge or not.

Bruce:  is there really any freewill? if we are consumed in the soup of 3d and its construct, there can only be duality. my freewill will always impose on anothers and theirs mine. we can’t just truly be. there is too much in the depth of the reality of living on planet earth. my freewill is always going to be affected by decisions made by other entities within the whole, and theirs mine. i cannot control what they do, nor would i want to. but to say i could cloister myself away and control my destiny via freewill, would be irresponsible for me to claim.

William: You expressed frustration at not living in any recognisable reality that you believe you would have chosen to create.

I am pretty sure that if you could change the world to better suit your creative desires that you would live in a world of peace and harmony. 

I am convinced that potentially human beings have the ability to create such a world, however, the reality is that it is unlikely to come to pass, at least not any time soon or even in our lifetime.

Bruce:   thanks for saying that, as i consider i alluded to this in the paragraph above. yes, i would create peace and harmony, no need for judgement, war, rape, and all those things that give the planet population angst and need to fear. and many other things. i could not even buy an island and do that. the island is still within the construct of 3d and even though less affected by it, still within it. i would have to survive, if i wanted tech, i would need all the junk that goes with it. i really do think i am a nutcase and little wonder i can’t commune with the general population, the work, eat, sleep thing doesn’t turn me on, and not many are discussing what we are talking about in such depth to mean anything, i am the only one in my circle interested in this and i can’t talk to anyone about it, they just aren’t aware, and it is way too deep for them to contemplate 🙂

William: What you and I might want of the world – peace and harmony and goodwill and equality etc…These things she also would like, but is not the ‘control freak’ to force it to happen.  Humans invented god concepts and attributed such powers to those gods, but the reality is that no such gods exist that can make everyone DO the right thing.

 

Bruce:  if mother earth needs to do something for her own survival, i say go for it. a smaller, more intune with the mother population, would do wonders for her right now. i can’t comment on the bit about gods making us do the right thing. if the gods as touted by wm’s are a reality, they don’t want anyone to do the right thing, keep ’em in ignorance, at war, anything to create imbalance and out of harmony. divide and conquer. i really do wonder why any lifeform needs to do such a thing. is power over others really such an addictive elixir?

William: Consciousness is a most rare and precious thing in this universe.  Why it is here is not the question to be asking – because like it or not, we are here – inside it.

The agenda is to remain here and to flourish and explore and utilise the materials available.  This requires nurturing…

Bruce:  well, i may have no choice in the matter william. if, for all intents and purposes, just say the wmm are on the money, then i cannot even escape it, after death. so i am stuck here, within the endless revolving recycling program, regardless if i want to be, or not. 🙂 if there is a way out of the madness, then i wish to find it. if there are bubbles that control the lot, i want to experience what is outside them, before i would want to agree to your last sentence 🙂

There Is No Duality Which Is Real – William replies to Bruce

Hi Bruce

🙂

Your reply strongly illustrates duality, and what I said about thinking and acting through the lens of duality.

There is too much emphasis on the external and I can most definitely relate to the emotions attached to what you are saying, having also experienced these as part of the normal reaction to life on earth and its myriad of untrustworthy human practices.

Most of the questions you asked are questions I have also asked and I found my answers largely through using Ouija – but that in itself is a rather long story which I don’t feel like repeating but here is a link where you can get a fairly good outline of the processes involved with that.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=54892

In your position Ouija would be a good way of being able to ask your questions and get answers.

I will say that what I shared with you is not something I thought up for myself but something which I was told through using the device.

I say this in matter of fact manner, knowing full well the common perceptions regarding use of Ouija are largely considered to being a dark practice.  If that is also your perception then you will likely not want to try it out, but from what you have said to me I think it is safe to say that you are curious and open-minded enough to consider it might just be a tool which will work for you and certainly it is something which can provide you with answers – answers that are not so forthcoming from the external which obviously causes you some degree of frustration.

Now I will clarify some of my remarks in what I emailed you last.

The ‘GM’ planet consciousness is, has been, and will continue to use what is available to ‘her’.

Some call her Gaia, the Earth Mother, etc, but whatever you call ‘her’ she is real and conscious and alive etc.

As consciousness, she too has been evolving and before this present age, she was experiencing through dinosaur form.

She is ancient.  Perhaps not ancient in terms of the physical universe, but in terms of this age – she certainly is ancient.

Yet she is also relatively young (in terms of the physical universe) – a young entity still learning the ropes but very clearly ahead of the game in relation to this age and our individuate selves.

Her experience in linear time is vast and she is super intelligent.

We are literally her children…something of a creation of hers yet not really.  We are her.  Her consciousness is what we are of.  She is not ‘god’ but certainly can play the part.  For that matter, she is not ‘devil’ but again, she certainly can play the part.

We are not her ‘playthings’.  It is understandable that we would think of her as such – should we care to even contemplate this (what I am saying here) as possible.  However, we are recognised by her as being her, only we don’t recognise ourselves this way so HOW we are in relation to our self identity and our expression of that identity into the external (our behaviour) is far removed from WHO she is.

You have questioned why – if there be such a thing – WHY does it hide from us – from our knowledge, and the truthful answer is that it is WE who are essentially hiding from her.  We just don’t know it.

It is our need to belong and be accepted and therefore dress up and act our part (ego personality) which essentially creates a barrier between us and her.  We do not know, are not told or are told stories which conceal her and distort her…be these stories of gods or devils, they are distortions.

A great book which very skilfully metaphors this is one James wrote called the Dohrman Prophecy.  Of course you have explained your situation in regard to online reading so it is unlikely you will get to read the book.

I am happy to outline the story if you want, but will leave that be for now.

My point is that we are deceived by duality.  By our learned way of thinking processes which necessitate good and evil and it is this type of thinking which effectively hides us from her.

Okay so I want to veer away a little here and give a brief history in relation to this planet consciousness evolving.

It is unknown as to HOW she got herself into this position but it is clear enough as to how she has reacted to her awakening – firstly within the form of a planet and consecutively within the various multitudes of life forms.

WMMs speak a great deal about this process – only no ‘names’ or genders are used.

The Genetic Mind is something of a label, but not well understood.

I would rather not speculate on the HOW, preferring to focus on the ‘what is’ but I have been assured that it was all completely voluntary and a decision made through free will.

Which of course is counter the WMMs more recent claims that we were seduced into this situation by malevolent ETs.

I would like to briefly say regarding that, that if one believes they have been tricked, they are more likely to retain the victim mentality and the continued reliance upon dualities thought processes. – I actually call this “dualic tendencies,” even given that ‘dualic’ is not a recognised word…I hope you won’t mind if I use it here anyway…

What I am sharing with you here is not something I learned overnight and nor is it something I accepted easily.

Nonetheless, the Earth Consciousness is the overseeing director of everything which is going on, on the planet and in relation to the planets affairs.

This is not to say that she is the instigator of atrocities.  Rather she works with what she has to work with and allows for our individual free will.  She is not a ‘control freak’ but ultimately is in control to the degree that she is able, regardless of the human propensity to live  largely disparate  agendas to her own (for she does indeed have an agenda) – so we each and all are either in the knowledge or not.

You expressed frustration at not living in any recognisable reality that you believe you would have chosen to create.

I am pretty sure that if you could change the world to better suit your creative desires that you would live in a world of peace and harmony.

I am convinced that potentially human beings have the ability to create such a world, however, the reality is that it is unlikely to come to pass, at least not any time soon or even in our lifetime.

What you and I might want of the world – peace and harmony and goodwill and equality etc…These things she also would like, but is not the ‘control freak’ to force it to happen.  Humans invented god concepts and attributed such powers to those gods, but the reality is that no such gods exist that can make everyone DO the right thing.

Consciousness is a most rare and precious thing in this universe.  Why it is here is not the question to be asking – because like it or not, we are here – inside it.

The agenda is to remain here and to flourish and explore and utilise the materials available.  This requires nurturing…

I will leave it there for now.

Cheers

William.