William: Hi Bruce
I watched a movie recently called “Automata” (2014) where robots had started to evolve into conscious entities.
One scene involved a human being saying to a machine ‘you are just a robot’ and the robot replied ‘that would be like me saying to you – “you are just an ape.”’
Bruce: interesting, i will see if i can also watch it over the next week, but were the robots self aware? sounds like they must have been to say such a thing in reply.
William: The point of the scene was to illustrate that consciousness is the common denominator, not the form in which it expresses through.
This is the underlying reality. When you speak of Mother Earth as being the planet which is thus raped etc by the human ‘fleas’ on her back you are not only misunderstanding what Mother Earth is but are also separating human beings from her.
Bruce: well for me, the mother is our home william. she is just as physical as i am in the now. i can touch her, see her beauty and marvel at the lifeforms upon her surface. so, just what are you saying i am misunderstanding? human beings may be residing here, however, the way humans behave towards our home, is, as far as i am concerned, something that shows we are not connected to her, for if we were, we would not have such blatant disrespect for her.
William: Of course I do understand the sentiment. You are saying that human beings are behaving out of synch with the planet and destroying their nest, and it certainly looks that way in regard to first world consumerism etc.
Bruce: it is that way william, for mine. all the pollution, the mining, the slashing of our lungs – the forests, etc etc, surely you are not condoning these activities of an ‘advanced’ species are you?
William: It would seem quite logical that a life bearing planet cannot support life forms if those life forms are destroying the very planet they inhabit.
Bruce: there is only so much a camel can take, then the last straw will be inevitable.
William: When I speak of Gaia – The Earth Mother, I am specifically speaking about consciousness rather than form. I am not speaking directly of the planet, but of the consciousness which is experiencing BEING within the form of a planet.
The same applies to when I speak of human being. I am not speaking about form, but about consciousness within form.
Bruce: ok, so you only regarding the ‘consciousness’, i am not. i am regarding the whole. without the whole, she is not whole. why the need to separate something so intrinsically fundamental? i am experiencing within my physical body, so is the mother. it is the whole experience i am relating to, not just my physical body. we walk and live upon a physical planet, not just her consciousness. what happens to her physically also affects her consciousness, as does me, in the here and now. i would be crazy to state otherwise.
William: Mother Earth is NOT the planet – the material form which constitutes the planet.
Bruce: well, i guess i could also say, i am not my body either, but i am housing this body, like it or not. and what goes on around my body, affects me, the one inside the body. you can’t tell me that what humans are doing she doesn’t feel, surely not.
William: She is the consciousness involved with – not only the planet but the system the planet is most closely influenced by, in the local sense.
Bruce: i don’t know william, i have not had any direct dialogue with her, have you? i would rather the mother express her own way, directly, i am not going to put words in her mouth, or expecting her to only be a certain way. i do relate to my living on her skin as it is a very real physical experience. i surf and absolutely love the water, i can feel immersed in her liquid and for me, it is a most wonderful experience.
William: If we look at evolution in terms of the human aspects and their influence upon the eco-system we can identify a common thread in regard to the form and its capabilities.
Essentially it is a biological form which is extremely able as a device which can manipulate natural resource from the planets surface – and not that deeply into that surface really – and in doing so, creates machines.
Bruce: but why the need to rape the resources in the first place? whose creation is the tech being forcefed to us? and thank ‘god’ that humans can only just touch the surface at this time, knowing the condition of our greed, we would take every last bit of anything from her, until nothing was left, so long as we could make money from it.
William: I do not know if you have read any further in my blog, the conversations between Alex and myself. Alex is quite anti what is known as Transhumanism and I am more accepting of its inevitable reality in our world, as a natural extension of consciousness and its creativity.
Bruce: if you are meaning the addition of coded addons, etc, the integration of tech into our bodies, i don’t want any thanks. i am of the opinion, that once that begins, the coders will hack anyone and create backdoors into everyone. of course, they won’t admit it and keep the deception all time high. i trust that what i am, in my real sense is all i need.
regarding blogs, i find them awkward to get into, a turn off for me actually. the way material is displayed and all the wasted space on a page, when text could flow across it and make for less scrolling. blogs, use a last date of entry as the first port of call for any visitor view of discussion, i find that odd. shouldn’t the logical method be to have the earliest at the top, so that we read in linear fashion as the material has been added, not the reverse?
William: As I understand things, the biological form cannot endure the rigors of deep space exploration and thus in order for consciousness to leave the planet and go exploring within form, that form will have to consist of something much hardier than flesh and blood.
Bruce: and why would we need to do this? why can’t we be happy right where we are? the mother provides all we need, and more.
William: So the human form is a means to an end, rather like the dinosaur form was. Certainly it is evident that the age of the dinosaur form has assisted the ages following in a big way through fossil fuel, which of course have also had an effect of the environment which has created new problems to solve.
Bruce: mmm, the planet created the ‘fossil fuel’ not the dinosaur, didn’t she? at times the planet has had major landmass shift to bury the forests under the surface, then it was compressed to the forms it becomes over a long time. or am i on the wrong idea there? either or anyway, humans have chosen to extract the materials to power tech, make money. i have to ask, why would any so called ‘advanced’ lifeform that cares about anything, actually do such a thing?
William: The Planet form is also a means to an end for the consciousness inhabiting it.
Bruce: not sure what you are meaning there.
William: Eventually through nature, the Earth Planet will become lifeless but ‘Mother Earth’ would have long since departed altogether from the planet – leaving it to its fate.
Bruce: if that is the case, then why did the mother apparently send out the call for help, so she would not roll over and die?
William: Unity might not be a popular event on the planet at this time but that does not mean to say it is not in operation or that we individually cannot operate from that awareness and express outwardly that inner awareness and realisation. That is really the point. If you are having issues because of thinking in dualic terms, then you are assisting disunity simply because of that. Unity and non dualic thinking/behaving exist within you but are largely dormant because they are only potential and remain so until they are properly and habitually expressed through your conscious self and the form you are within.
Bruce: to me, this has got to be a group effort. without group effort, the earth human populations will remain fragmented and as such, unity will be a fairytale. don’t get me wrong, i would love to see a planet in unity, imagine exploring other cultures in unity, it would be wonderful, but at this time, the human conditioning is what they can get from me, instead of what we can create together. that is my take, from my experience to date.
William: In relation to my equating the GM with Gaia/Earth mother consciousness, this is what the WMGlossary has to say about the GM:
Why I equated the Earth Consciousness with the GM is that they are related. The GM is really an aspect of Gaia rather than representative of her wholeness – but in that I was focused upon the evolution or transformation of this consciousness as she has gone through her various stages of development and self awareness.
Bruce: well, doesn’t that make everything within the gm related? that text is quite specific in that the heirarchy have control over the contents of it. to me, this means it is an ongoing, programmable, entity, that can be upgraded at any time, with simple input from the controllers. isn’t the gm relative to human beings and how we have aquired data over the time span of our creation up until now? i don’t know enough about it all, and to tie the mother to the gm, seems a bit odd to me. no where in the above text does it state that earth consciousness is part of the gm. who really knows? i will have to ask the mother when comes for coffee 🙂
William: The GM is not a programme. The GM is consciousness. The program if you like, consists of everything which is NOT conscious – everything which consciousness interacts with which is itself not conscious…the simulations.
Bruce: don’t know enough about it to comment, although i will say this, if the gm can be manipulated by any heirarchy, it is not consciousness to me.
William: Simulations are made ‘real’ through consciousness interacting with them. For example, if you removed consciousness from this physical universe simulation, the simulation might still exist but it has no meaning or purpose or function – no reality to it, without consciousness being directly integrated within in.
Bruce: don’t know enough at this stage to comment.
William: The limiting aspects of the GM can be withdrawn from – or discarded as no longer relevant. It is in a sense the case of redefining (modifying) the self identity – Gaia has been doing this with herself for as long as she has been self aware. Thus she has gone through certain ‘ages’ – learned by these and moved on with her modified self awareness.
Bruce: ok, if we can withdraw, what is the plan? by becoming free self thinkers, with no beliefs to tie us down, wouldn’t that automatically allow us to think outside the box? i can’t comment on the mother side, she will have to confirm that for herself.
William: Her aspects – individuate consciousness within form are for the most part, way behind her in this. They are still largely locked within the definitions the hierarchy have invented in regard to who they are and what their purpose is.
So GM represents – I think – something closely associated with the human aspects of the consciousness of Gaia and involves human belief systems, one of which you are obviously quiet influenced by, taking as I do, the expressions of your comments at face value.
Bruce: the mother will have to confirm, i can’t say one way or another. my individual belief is i want no belief, i want experience, fun, love, laugher, beauty and all the rest, to experience as deeply as i can.
William: If you were to transfer those expressions into something which more closely exemplifies the nature of Gaia you would find a lot of the expression you presently use would fall by the wayside.
Bruce: but gaia and i have a different role, she must express differently in any case. i can’t possibly express as her, i do not have experience in a planetary ethos role of any kind.
William: In your ‘seeking and asking’ and the failure to find methods which give you answers – this has more to do with your approach and accompanying beliefs and attitudes than anything else. ‘going within’ is really about consciously and conscientiously connecting with something you are intimately part of but are unaware of the intimacy of that connection as it has not been activated – so the intimacy is only one way. Gaia knows you intimately but you do not know her in the same way.
Bruce: yes, well time will tell william. if my approach and attitudes are calling for readjustment, so be it. but at this time, i am comfortable in my skin. i am not taking any bs from anyone or anything, so i retain my bs detector and what i have at my disposal, my own thinking and my own experience to base my thinking upon. i am very wary of any ritualistic format of any kind. so if by me being that way, inhibits my ability for answers to come, so be it. it is currently the right way for me and one i am very comfortable with.
William: You may well have asked but what were your expectations? What signs were you expecting? What outward revelations were you expecting which did not come to be?
Bruce: i had no expectations. the mother can present in any form she so wishes, but i also carry my right to ascertain it is indeed the mother and not some fake masquerading as her.
William: For me it was almost accidental as I was not expecting to converse with the One Entity (whom you have seen reading that link I gave – I call “QueenBee”) – this came as a natural progression into something which cannot be fully understood any other way where expectation and presumptions might create barriers rather than openings.
Bruce: yes, it is the right move for you, and no judgement can be placed on it.
William: However, having experienced the capabilities of ideomotor principle (Ouija) I have data which can help create ‘short cuts’ to this connection for others – so rather than having to go through a series of personalities – which for me – lead to interaction with this overall personality, one can go strait to the source directly.
Bruce: that is exactly what i prefer, direct from the ‘horses’ mouth. no 3rd party interference to artificially colour and flavour the reality.
William: Certainly I can verify that one will be sorely ‘tested’ and that this has more to do with necessity than some kind of perverse mind-game-playing on QueenBee’s part as the individual carries with them so much baggage of belief which has to be dealt with as part of the process – and there simply are things which we have learned to hold close to the heart as ‘precious’ which need to be disabled if one wants to get to the truth.
Bruce: i can comprehend we have baggage, we must, if for all intents and purposes the wmm’s are on the money. if we have been on a revolving door, never to experience outside the parameters of someone else’s creation, we will inevitably have many lifetimes of baggage to sift through and make some sense of.
William: In regard to your asking Mark if there is something set up for someone in your position which will give you better access to the books than what is so far offered, the spiritstate site does allow you to read at your own leisure online, so you could work your situation with that.
Bruce: no, i don’t want to read online, i want it offline. i am not that interested in interactive text content at this stage.
William: In relation to choice and free will, these are something which are limited by circumstance. Often we make choices based upon limited information – thus they are somewhat ill informed choices – choices made without knowing the full extent of the situation or where the choice will lead us.
Bruce: yes, i would agree with that 🙂 would we knowingly enter into a situation that could be a detriment to our survival? i doubt it.
William: Ultimately I can see that consciousness involved within this physical universe has a great deal of choice but is limited by what it can achieve using the available physical resources. Ultimately what can consciousness achieve within this universe even making for itself forms which are more robust and can withstand the natural forces?
Bruce: would consciousness create that? or would something else? we have got the best of what we have at the moment. we can survive for our limited physical lifespan, which could be a blessing in disguise, as the world can be rather intense and would anyone want infinite intense? no thanks.
William: I can imagine consciousness eventually transforming all physical matter into one inconceivably vast work of interconnected machinery but what then?
Bruce: would consciousness do that? or would someone/something with something to gain do it? nature is working well as it is, what could possibly be added to a bird for example that would make them desire the improvement? they seem perfectly adapted to their environment. in fact, i don’t see any dead bird carcasses at all, so they are doing fine.
William: There has to be a way to exit and enter the universe. I am not against the idea of being within a non biological form but would not like to be incarcerated in the one form for the rest of eternity.
I prefer the idea of being able to enter and exit form as I choose. It might be fun to experience being a digger machine on a planet , or a whole spaceship, but one would eventually tire of being within the same form and therefore being able to change form would be necessary before I could agree to participating.
Bruce: well for me, if the wmm’s have any truth to them, we are ‘locked’ in william until such times as we can extracate ourselves. just having free will isn’t going to be enough, if the control freaks are at every step of the program. yes, i would love to come and go, explore new planets and ecosystems and cultures, imagine that? it would be awesome, to me. isn’t what you are saying, part of the human transmogrification thinking some are leaning towards? and then some?
William: Also being in the one universe forever would present me with the same needs. I would have to be able to tune into and participate within other simulated realities.
Bruce: so, if i had a choice and could move to any universe and partake of anything in creation, would that be attractive to me? yes, it would.
William: So your question as to whether you would even have a say in whatever situation you might find yourself in reflects a concern which is directly related to your belief that you had no say in regards to being in this particular situation now.
Bruce: i don’t have a belief in it, one way or another, i simply asked questions. have we foreplaned the whole event and are fated, or is it all programmed, down to the individual choices we make on a daily basis? as mentioned in the wmm’s?
William: You have no former memories of ever having existed prior to now, and so you cannot say with any real certainty that you chose to be here even with the knowledge that in doing so you would lose all memory of having made such a choice.
Bruce: the so called ‘veil of forgetfulness’ that each of us partake of before our first breath, sees to a memory wipe, much like that of samantha in the aap book. could our faculties handle the data from many lives anyway? and try to process it somehow? i personally think it is like it is, as we would blow a fuse, we can only deal with this life, and barely that too.
William: For most individuals this seems to create trust issues.
Bruce: don’t know about anyone else, but for me, my trust issues have been borne of direct experience in this life. i used to be so naive william, i trusted everyone to do as they say they would and treat each other with respect. how different i have experienced. so now, i am forced, via those same experiences to look beyond the facade and find the real meat in the sandwich.
William: For myself and the data I receive from various sources, I simply accept the different packages of data and see where they might fit in relation to each other that they might (and do) give me a better overall picture of what most likely is happening.
Bruce: it would be nice to be more aware of the real intentions of anyone/anything, right from the getgo.
William: That is why I spoke of my having read different accounts of individuals sharing of their OOBs and NDEs – to see if there was indeed any pattern and anything else from these which I could form some kind of overall ‘likeliest’ picture of explanation.
Bruce: possibly the same for me too. i have read a lot of text on them both. some made sense, others not quite. but again, if the wmm’s are on the money, then even all that is inside the parameters of programming.
William: Upon death I first of all would not be surprised if there was a continuation of my sense of individual self – my conscious self – and so if that indeed will be the case I will not be caught by surprise.
Bruce: i am sure that is what will happen for you. being ‘dead’ can have its advantages. we are outside the physical parameters and somewhat less restricted perhaps? personally, i feel i will be in for a pleasant surprise one way or another. i want to avoid the recycling program this time though, if i have a choice and free will in the matter.
William: In relation to the likelihood that my perceptions and beliefs in general are what largely – or even totally create for me whatever it is that I then will experience, I am not likely to be creating anything which contradicts those perceptions, beliefs or expectations.
Bruce: again, if the wmm’s are correct, we go to where our consciousness resonates. so for some stuck in the darker aspects, they will mingle in those aspects, for those who ‘vibe’ to what can be termed ‘higher’ dimensions, perhaps that is exactly what they will experience. i don’t want any expectations whatsoever, other than to have my current free will decision to see what is outside the ‘bubbles’ and go from there.
William: Therefore if such things did manifest which are contrary to what I would create as a matter of preference, I would most likely be challenging those things – questioning there validity etc.
Bruce: excellent, good to hear. that would mean you would most likely not be deceived on the other side as well.
William: In my now, I am of the opinion that I have no particular judgments as to the choices Gaia has made or to her overall agenda – to explore in a hands on fashion (rather than simply observe) and since I am part of this situation I am happy enough to go along with and accept what is, knowing as I do that I am not fully informed I have no particular need to make choices from the position of not being fully informed.
I take a more neutral ground because this reflects my position far better. I simply don’t know enough.
Bruce: same for me william, i cannot profess to know much at all in reality. i question, sure thing, but i don’t get all the answers. having dialogue with someone like you reinforces that i am not so crazy afterall. that things i have thought about for a long time, some others do consider too, even if the number is quite small, compared to the overall population.
William: I support to that degree whatever is unfolding on this planet while I go about inputting a supportive expression for life in general and adjusting my behaviour accordingly. I avoid groups, be they political, religious, cultural, gender based etc…I am part of the whole. I can accept that I am limited but not powerless. I appreciate the conscious need for Gaia to explore and find ways of breaking free from the planet form as an eventual certainty. I may well have better access to better data when the death of my form happens or I may yet find a way to access data through OOB technique, but it seems from all accounts that the situations individuals find themselves in through such practices are not without their limitations on data. It seems that some data is ‘off-limits’…
Bruce: i prefer this type of dialogue william, where neither one is making statements, but we are exploring through our words, not projecting ‘you’s’ but stating what is our individual experience. i turn off quickly where anyone comes on with rigid statements and the ‘you’s’ like they are taking at me, instead of with me. there is no room for dialogue as it is a shut door then.
so, whatever is unfolding on the planet, is something we must accept, we are in it, immersed until we are not. it is happening regardless if we like it or not. personally, i am over the bs, the fighting, the raping of our beautiful planet, i feel for her, as i would my own child. surely there comes a time, when those of us, who have taken a good long look in the mirror, decided that something needs to be explored outside the parameters of work, eat, sleep, and then made the effort, no matter how small, to pry open the box and see how deep it goes, are rewarded for making such choices. to me, it must happen, as it can’t just all be oblivion.
i am not part of any group either and don’t wish to be at this stage of my life. my thinking about groups is that they can be too singularly focused to the point of exclusion of something worthy of exploring.
regarding data, i am not so sure it is ‘off-limits’ so much as we simply can’t process it. our reference points are non-existent or cloudy at best. any comparison seems unlikely if we cannot process the data anyway. but yes, some is most likely out of bounds for us.
for instance, i witnessed the planet fried by some means. i flew over it, noticing the whole environment. after a while, a voice came and simply said, ‘that is enough’. so i was restricted in exploring further, even though i wanted to, but was stopped from doing so, it was deemed enough by someone/something else.
William: That is the state of being an individuate consciousness. We act as data gatherers for the Whole – whether we know this or not. We are not independent from the Whole, whether we believe we are or not.
Bruce: my take is i am part of the whole, but i can express my own individuality and colour the experiences to my degree as the artist i am, or not. i can follow the lemmings over the cliff to oblivion as well.
William: This might have the affect of forcing us to trust the process, but not necessarily. I don’t trust the process and I don’t distrust the process. Both are types of expression of duality – to trust or not trust.
Bruce: trusting the process for me, is a process in itself. i can have ‘faith’ that all is well and that things will work out, then all of a sudden, something will blow that to kingdom come, that rocks the boat of faith. can we simply be? be within the life process and explore beyond the parameters of work, eat and sleep? just experiencing, without any need for any comparmentalisation or judgement? not so easy is it?
William: Rather, I accept it for what it is in relation to my own knowledge base. I don’t need to trust anything. There is subtle difference between trusting and accepting.
Bruce: i consider that a good way to go. accept it for what it is, it is happening after all, whether we like it or not.
William: Anyway, I will leave it there and look forward to your reply. I am enjoying our interactions.
Bruce: yes, me too, always a good chat with you i find. we seem to encourage a look at each others boundaries with respect, i like that.
thanks 🙂 cheers and have a most wonderful weekend there in nz.
ps, if you find some small grammatical errors or spelling, please adjust, as i don’t often reread until after i send, oops, naughty me!
Letters to Mark and James 